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DonP

(6,185 posts)
9. "Situational credibility" at work
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:19 PM
Nov 2015

To paraphrase Mr. Orwell, "Some statistics are more worthy than others".

It is almost certain, based on NICS check data that 2015 will be the highest year on record for private gun sales in the United States.

But ... when national polls ask how many households own guns, the numbers appear to be the same or dropping. How do we reconcile this seeming contradiction? The answer is likely in a Zogby Analytic question asked in February of 2015.

Zogby
QUESTION: “If a national pollster asked you if you owned a firearm, would you determine to tell him or her the truth or would you feel it was none of their business?”

Gallup recently released a poll showing that gun ownership had declined from polls they had taken in an earlier time period. That number is inconsistent with the number of firearms that have been sold since President Obama took office, but the difference can be answered by the Zogby Analytic question above. The poll indicates maintaining anonymity is a contributing factor

36% of all Americans feel it is none of the pollster’s business and that includes 35% of current gun owners 47% of Republicans and 42% of Independents

If we take the lower number, 35%, and apply it to the lowest numbers for gun ownership from a national poll, found in the General Social Survey (GSS), we see that it implies that gun ownership is up, not down.

The lowest number in the General Social Survey is 32% of households.

For those who are challenged by algebra, bear with me. If 35% of gun owners believe that gun ownership is something that is "no business of national pollsters", it suggests that only 65% of gun owners would admit to gun ownership on national polls.

The true number of gun owners would be, using the lowest numbers from the GSS, 32% of households multiplied by 1/.65 or 1.54 X 32%, which comes to 49%. 49% happens to be about the number of households that reported gun ownership in the late 1970’s. Of course that doesn't account for the population increase, just the percentage of adults."

In Massachusetts and Illinois, both with FID/FOID card requirements, legal gun owners do not have the option to refuse to answer or lie to a pollster. If they want to legally own a gun, they have to put themselves in the government database. By definition, the numbers of legal gun owners in those states are reasonably accurate, and not subject to the under reporting that voluntary national polls suffer from. While not necessarily projectable nationally, both states show a substantial increase in new gun owners in the past 5 years and if anything, probably have a lower number of new gun owners on average, due to more restrictive practices.





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Gun ownership has become a political statement, too. earthside Nov 2015 #1
I agree. I also contend those huge lines at gun shows post-Sandy Hook were demos... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #2
That's about the same for Illinois, both Deep Blue states. DonP Nov 2015 #3
ccw permit does not nec mean new gun owner jimmy the one Nov 2015 #4
False. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #5
So when did CCW become a fashion accessory? beardown Nov 2015 #6
gun ownership rates declining nationwide jimmy the one Nov 2015 #7
Got it. beevul Nov 2015 #8
"Situational credibility" at work DonP Nov 2015 #9
Par for the course with some. N/T beevul Nov 2015 #10
I just added another one Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #12
Per the Boston Globe, most gun owners in MA have a license to carry friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #13
Yeah, you must have an LTC Kang Colby Nov 2015 #14
zogby push poll jimmy the one Nov 2015 #15
You are striving mightily to divert attention from the OP friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #17
What do polls have to do with the demonstable increase in gun ownership in MA? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #11
You noticed that too DonP Nov 2015 #16
I await the revelation of his credentials in sociology and/or statistics friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #18
Two bits says they will be from an obscure, old "survey"? DonP Nov 2015 #19
...accompanied by a 1500 word exegesis, with lots of bolding and italics n/t friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #20
You win! DonP Nov 2015 #22
Nowhere near the predicted word count, but the superfluous italics and bolding appeared... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24
zogby worst pollster in the world - nate silver jimmy the one Nov 2015 #21
Another failed diversion-polls *still* have zip to do with the OP friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #23
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