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In reply to the discussion: "Concealed carry shootings now part of Chicago's gun reality" [View all]guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)12. Just one example of why untrained people should not be carrying guns:
On Tuesday, customers were coming and going in the parking lot of a Home Depot near Detroit when a shoplifter suddenly came tearing across the blacktop. The shoplifter, who appeared to be in his 40s and wore a black shirt and hat, was pushing a cart full of stolen power tools and welding equipment worth more than $1,000.
As a Home Depot loss prevention officer came running after him, the shoplifter shoved the stolen goods into a waiting black SUV and jumped in.
Thats when a female bystander pulled out a concealed pistol and fired several shots at the fleeing shoplifters, possibly striking one of the SUVs rear tires.
The shoplifters nonetheless escaped, according to a press release from the Auburn Hills Police Department.
The female shooter stayed at the scene and is cooperating fully with the investigation, according to police. Cops have not identified her but have said she is 46 years old, from the nearby city of Clarkston and holds a valid concealed pistol license.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/
morning-mix/wp/2015/10/08/woman-with-concealed-gun-permit-shoots-at-fleeing-shoplifter-could-face-charges/
As a Home Depot loss prevention officer came running after him, the shoplifter shoved the stolen goods into a waiting black SUV and jumped in.
Thats when a female bystander pulled out a concealed pistol and fired several shots at the fleeing shoplifters, possibly striking one of the SUVs rear tires.
The shoplifters nonetheless escaped, according to a press release from the Auburn Hills Police Department.
The female shooter stayed at the scene and is cooperating fully with the investigation, according to police. Cops have not identified her but have said she is 46 years old, from the nearby city of Clarkston and holds a valid concealed pistol license.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/
Hankins and other firearms instructors told the newspaper that concealed weapon license holders should only pull their guns if someone is in imminent danger of death or serious injury, including a sexual assault. Those who draw their pieces too quickly and frivolously fire at people can face serious felony charges, from the reckless use of a firearm to assault.
It is just this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by civilians.
One: As far as I know, shoplifting is not a death penalty offense.
Two: The woman had a valid permit. Presumably she had some training, but she also demonstrated a complete lack of sense.
Three: How many of these incidents will it take to demolish the myth that untrained civilians can make a difference?
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Because the thread was about people CCing legally, and you produced no evidence...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#8
Which would be relevant, if that what was happened in the OP- but it didn't
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#11
BTW, I agree with Hendricks on training, and have no problem with training requirements...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#14
Your post #12 advocates collective guilt, an unattractive notion on a progressive site
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#15
What is progressive about the notion that Americans should all be carrying a gun
guillaumeb
Nov 2015
#17
When someone *actually makes* the argument "that Americans should all be carrying a gun",...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#19
I did. A few examples still do not prove that the many are dangerous
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#26
"He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal."
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#31
"This post was quite obviously put here to justify concealed and open carry as being crime...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#43
How about the 2010s in Massachusetts? 318,000 people have carry permits here, as of last year
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#10
"It is...this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#16
If they aren't statistically dangerous, there's no problem. Since you're not Secretary of Needs...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#24
One thing that *can* be proven, however- the number of legal CCers that commit crimes
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#23
He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#33
Civilian carry is touted by the NRA and others as being a crime preventative.
guillaumeb
Nov 2015
#38
Uh, no, actually. CCW is for self-defense, not for affecting social policy...
Eleanors38
Nov 2015
#47
We are talking of licensed concealed carry. Your '30,000' includes *all* guns, and suicides
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#52
That would be relevant only if the licensed are held responsible for the acts of the unlicensed
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#55
3 murders and 158 total convictions out of a group of 708,048 people
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#32
Or that "I declare *this* practice to be unnecessary" = "*This* practice should be made illegal"...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#45
Links to improbable storm of stories and ads; only a pic of a man & story title.
Eleanors38
Nov 2015
#48