Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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30. now compare CHL holder to cop

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:33 PM

Nov 2015

and those three homicides, were they murders or were they self defense? That matters.
How many crimes are prevented? That's unknowable.

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"Concealed carry shootings now part of Chicago's gun reality" [View all] DonP Nov 2015 OP

Since you asked so nicely: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #1

What evidence is there hat the shooter Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #2

Now you went and did it. beevul Nov 2015 #3

Nice graphic. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #5

Why did you not ask about the fleeing suspects? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #6

Because the thread was about people CCing legally, and you produced no evidence... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #8

The issue for many here is that when untrained, or minimally trained guillaumeb Nov 2015 #9

Which would be relevant, if that what was happened in the OP- but it didn't friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #11

BTW, I agree with Hendricks on training, and have no problem with training requirements... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #14

see my post #12 eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #13

Your post #12 advocates collective guilt, an unattractive notion on a progressive site friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #15

What is progressive about the notion that Americans should all be carrying a gun guillaumeb Nov 2015 #17

When someone *actually makes* the argument "that Americans should all be carrying a gun",... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #19

I suggest that you read post #12. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #20

I did. A few examples still do not prove that the many are dangerous friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #26

I hate to bring this up, but I am glad you mentioned Trump. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #29

"He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal." friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #31

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark DonP Nov 2015 #36

I am attempting to counter NRA inspired propaganda with reason. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #37

"This post was quite obviously put here to justify concealed and open carry as being crime... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #43

I agree LinneaTench Nov 2015 #57

In todays day and age there's really no excuse for not carrying in most areas. ileus Nov 2015 #4

What day and age are you referring to? The 1860s in the US frontier? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #7

How about the 2010s in Massachusetts? 318,000 people have carry permits here, as of last year friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #10

Just one example of why untrained people should not be carrying guns: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #12

"It is...this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #16

Advocates for concealed and open carry make the point guillaumeb Nov 2015 #18

Are 10s of thousands of Americans killed each year Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #21

This is what I actually wrote: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #22

If they aren't statistically dangerous, there's no problem. Since you're not Secretary of Needs... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24

They are not "statistically dangerous" unless or until they become so. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #28

Much as anyone else, to be sure... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #34

This is what I read. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #25

Yep TeddyR Nov 2015 #35

I think law enforecement and prosecutors need to Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #46

One thing that *can* be proven, however- the number of legal CCers that commit crimes friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #23

From the statistics: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #27

now compare CHL holder to cop gejohnston Nov 2015 #30

He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #33

Civilian carry is touted by the NRA and others as being a crime preventative. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #38

It wasn't the NRA, it was some academic gejohnston Nov 2015 #40

Uh, no, actually. CCW is for self-defense, not for affecting social policy... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #47

Or to confer the illusion of self defense. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #49

That choice is for individuals to make for themselves friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #50

"Little or (no) demonstrable effect"? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #51

We are talking of licensed concealed carry. Your '30,000' includes *all* guns, and suicides friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #52

Death due to guns is still death whether the user is licensed ot not. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #53

Good for you, that's your choice to make ... DonP Nov 2015 #54

That would be relevant only if the licensed are held responsible for the acts of the unlicensed friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #55

Fear & death: Always a profitable industry in any sector... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #56

3 murders and 158 total convictions out of a group of 708,048 people friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #32

And this means: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #39

legal gun carriers are more law abiding than average gejohnston Nov 2015 #41

It was a good "solution" for the man in the OP ... DonP Nov 2015 #42

I fear you have been done a great disservice in the past friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #44

Or that "I declare *this* practice to be unnecessary" = "*This* practice should be made illegal"... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #45

Links to improbable storm of stories and ads; only a pic of a man & story title. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #48