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In reply to the discussion: "Concealed carry shootings now part of Chicago's gun reality" [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)55. That would be relevant only if the licensed are held responsible for the acts of the unlicensed
And, as I pointed out, and as others in this group have admitted, carrying a gun does not truly protect against being murdered by a gun, or no armed police would ever be murdered by guns.
True- but beside the point. Carrying a gun gives a person more options, and the subject
of the OP found one to be useful.
The fact that licensed users, according to Texas statistics, "only" murdered 3 people in a year is small consolation to the three people. And given that most people do not kill other people, what is the point?
The point was (for those unfamiliar with statistics) that licensed CHL holders are less
likely to murder and/or commit other crimes than the either cops or the public at large.
Thus, your views on the desirability of the practice are strictly your opinion
and not borne out by empirical evidence of harm (or lack thereof) in this case.
Your views on the efficacy of the practice are, of course, entirely valid and you are
free to express them.
In a free polity, given the lack of demonstrable harm, they are not valid
as a guidline for public policy. Nor should they be.
People kill for many reasons, passion, substance impairment, financial gain, but carrying a gun is no real protection from these things unless one is both trained and/or lucky.
Which is why both John Hendricks and myself both strongly urge training, and practical, live, range testing made a prerequisite for concealed carriage licensure.
The disintested reader will note that many other, if not most, progun posters here
feel the same way.
The illusion of safety for the financial gain of the arms industry.
In an industrial society, you will find that most, if not, all activity eventually benefits
large industries.
Internet use not excepted of course...
An illusion and an obsession with ownership that applies solely to the US in all the western countries.
That is your opinion, and you are free to expound it- and we are free to disagree.
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Because the thread was about people CCing legally, and you produced no evidence...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#8
Which would be relevant, if that what was happened in the OP- but it didn't
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#11
BTW, I agree with Hendricks on training, and have no problem with training requirements...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#14
Your post #12 advocates collective guilt, an unattractive notion on a progressive site
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#15
What is progressive about the notion that Americans should all be carrying a gun
guillaumeb
Nov 2015
#17
When someone *actually makes* the argument "that Americans should all be carrying a gun",...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#19
I did. A few examples still do not prove that the many are dangerous
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#26
"He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal."
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#31
"This post was quite obviously put here to justify concealed and open carry as being crime...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#43
How about the 2010s in Massachusetts? 318,000 people have carry permits here, as of last year
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#10
"It is...this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#16
If they aren't statistically dangerous, there's no problem. Since you're not Secretary of Needs...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#24
One thing that *can* be proven, however- the number of legal CCers that commit crimes
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#23
He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#33
Civilian carry is touted by the NRA and others as being a crime preventative.
guillaumeb
Nov 2015
#38
Uh, no, actually. CCW is for self-defense, not for affecting social policy...
Eleanors38
Nov 2015
#47
We are talking of licensed concealed carry. Your '30,000' includes *all* guns, and suicides
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#52
That would be relevant only if the licensed are held responsible for the acts of the unlicensed
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#55
3 murders and 158 total convictions out of a group of 708,048 people
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#32
Or that "I declare *this* practice to be unnecessary" = "*This* practice should be made illegal"...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2015
#45
Links to improbable storm of stories and ads; only a pic of a man & story title.
Eleanors38
Nov 2015
#48