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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
5. why, kang? (dgu surveys)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:43 AM
Dec 2015

kang: So in summary... there are between several hundred thousand DGUs and several million

What you write above is problematic, since such a large difference makes reasonable people wonder why such wide variations over a year's time, in such close proximity to each other in time. How can one year produce 1.6 million dgus by one pollster, then 3.6 million the next year by another pollster using similar standards of measurement? Why kang? why?
.. or, as you say, the yearly range of dgus go from ~700,000 up to the 3.6 million. How can there be 5 times more dgus in one year than in a recent previous year? There must be some dichotomy in polls which produce this kind of margin of error, 400%.
In the 12 polls there tends to be an inconstancy of homologous standards of measurement which in good part produces the wide variation in results. This suggests the surveys are subject to a false equivalency &/or misinterpretation or false positives or telescoping or even manipulation.

I apologize for not including the link to guncite in my last post, a clumsy oversight on my part, since it was a crucial part of my evidence. It is below, & I've added by edit to my previous post #2. http://www.guncite.com/kleckandgertztable1.html

Here is a rough copy I made. Note that DMIa DMIb comprise one survey, a & b to separate dgus against animals. And is that 'Mauser' what I'm thinking of? shouldn't they recuse themselves?

Are these the 12 dgu studies which bob Aldridge is referring to, kang? Note that two have 'not available' for their dgu estimates. Three evidently pertain to states of calif, Illinois & ohio. One is by 'mauser'. Three have yearly dgu figures of ~750,000, way off the LATimes 3.6 million.
Tarrance & LATimes both surveyed in 1994, yet LAT had 3.6 million dgus, while Tarrance only 764,000 dgus. LATimes included dgus against animals, but tarrance pertained to evidently respondents in a household, LAT just the respondent, how does that explain it?

FREQUENCY OF DEFENSIVE GUN USE IN PREVIOUS SURVEYS
Survey:
Time/CNN ..Mauser ..Gallup ..Gallup ..L.A. Times ..Tarrance {=6}
Area:
U.S. U.S. U.S. U.S. U.S. U.S.
Year of Interview
1989 1990 1991 1993 1994 1994
Population Covered
"Firearm owners" Residents NoninstAdult NoninstAd NoninstAd NoninstAd
Gun Type Covered
All guns All guns All guns All guns All guns All guns
Recall Period:
Ever 5 yrs. Ever Ever Ever 5 yrs.
Excluded Uses Against Animals
No Yes No No No Yes
Excluded Military, Police Uses?
Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes
Defensive question asked of:
Gun owners ..All Rs.. Rs in hgun hshlds ..Gun owners ..All ..All
Defensive question refers to:
Respondent.. Hshld.. Respondent.. Resp.. Resp ..Respondent/Hhold
% Who Used
n.a. 3.79 8 11 8[c] 1/2[d]
Implied number of def. gun uses
n.a.. 1,487,342.. 777,153.. 1,621,377.. 3,609,682.. 764,036

FREQUENCY OF DEFENSIVE GUN USE IN PREVIOUS SURVEYS [80]
Survey:
Field.. Bordua ..CambridgeReports ..DMIa DMIb ..Hart ..Ohio {=6}
Area:
California.. Illinois ..US.. US US... US .. Ohio
Year of Interview
1976 .. 1977.. 1978 ..1978 1978 ..1981.. 1982
Recall Period:
Ever/1, 2 yrs. Ever Ever Ever Ever 5 yrs. Ever
Excluded Uses Against Animals
No No No No Yes Yes No
Excluded Military, Police Uses?
Yes No No Yes Yes Yes No
Defensive question asked of:
All Rs.. All Rs ..Protection hgun owners ..All Rs All Rs.. All Rs ..Rs in hgun households
Implied number of def. gun uses
3,052,717 ..1,414,544.. n.a.. 2,141,512 - 1,098,409 ..1,797,461 ..771,043

This should be in GD, if the current rules are still in effect. IMO. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #1
'Something Strange' in those dgu surveys jimmy the one Dec 2015 #2
a dgu is quite an experience jimmy the one Dec 2015 #3
So in summary... Kang Colby Dec 2015 #4
why, kang? (dgu surveys) jimmy the one Dec 2015 #5
syg wyg dgu, omg jimmy the one Dec 2015 #6
tl;dr.... Kang Colby Dec 2015 #7
go away fido or I'll get my gun jimmy the one Dec 2015 #8
Jimmy, what part of the Martin story suggests it is not a valid self defense claim? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #9
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