Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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22. Unlike auto accidents

Sat Dec 26, 2015, 06:51 PM

Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 26, 2015, 10:23 PM - Edit history (1)

NDs are so rare, I don't think there is enough data to develop actuarial tables. Not being an actuary, I'm open to correction. Once you remove the suicides and criminals killing each other, even homicides are small in number. Besides, my objection to that is the still the same as any other Malum prohibitum, if there is no public safety or order benefit, it shouldn't exist. I'm also a strong believer in strict scrutiny. IOW, I put your proposal in the same category as pot and sex toy bans. That is why I am a liberal, not a progressive. Or at least, not a modern progressive. For example, when my state went from a CCW law that was more restrictive than NYC that even included slingshots, to shall issue, to permit-less carry for residents, none of the dire predictions came true, not even close. That told me the restriction shouldn't have really existed to begin with.

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Why aren't all of us... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 OP

the guns will shoot them Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #1

I forgot discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #2

well that is what we are always told Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #3

My problem is with gun users TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #4

you mean irresponsible? Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #5

Fixed it, damn autocorrect. TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #6

you need no training to get behind the wheel Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #7

Well that's true since the rePuklicants took over Texas TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #8

There are licensing and enforcement laws for those who CC in public... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #9

How about all cc and oc must carry TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #10

First things first... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #11

Injury or death, property damage TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #12

That depends, how many millions of $$ and new members do you want the NRA to get? DonP Dec 2015 #13

Insurance would be regulated and no kickbacks to other organizations. TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #14

The NRA wouldn't need to stop your 'no kickbacks' idea, AARP and other affinity groups would friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #17

The NRA would have to be exempted as well as gun and ammo manufacturers TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #18

Why exempt the NRA? DonP Dec 2015 #24

The state of Texas and many other states are denying U.S. citizens their civil right to vote TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #25

The good news? It's not your decision to make. DonP Dec 2015 #26

"More Than Six in 10 Americans Say Guns Make Homes Safer" TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #27

And they vote too. DonP Dec 2015 #28

"And they vote too." A truth that the doctrinaire and/or foolish choose to ignore... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #31

Exactly how do you propose to do that? The NRA represents its members, not manufacturers friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #32

I would point out everything said in post#13 by DonP as accurate AFAIK discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #15

"for all weapons that are CC/OC in public" TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #16

I infer that sporting guns being transported to the range... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #20

given that even a negligent discharge gejohnston Dec 2015 #19

If it is so rare the insurance company actuaries will take that into account TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #21

Unlike auto accidents gejohnston Dec 2015 #22

If someone, rare though it is, drops their piece in a grocery store TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #23

If that is the issue, then the criteria gejohnston Dec 2015 #29

How many times has that actually happened? TeddyR Dec 2015 #33

Let's change the scenario TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #34

Still not covered- Mom (or Dad) are guilty of a crime friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #35

Liability insurance does not work that way. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #30