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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
18. Invalid Premises Galore
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

beevul: And yet 99.9x percent of guns aren't used in murders.
2) 99.9 percent of gun owners do not shoot or kill anyone. Focus on the .1 percent who misuse guns, and leave the rest of us who don't, and our guns, the hell alone. Member of the 99.9 percent.


You are still posting these blatant lies. I witted you last nov 17, 2015, that the figures you cite are for approx ONE YEAR ONLY. So your premise is invalid, since gun owners over the course of their lifetimes, are involved in shooting or killing someone far more than what you contend. You need to reword your signature line, & rethink (ha) your contentions.

Here is my post from nov 17, 2015. I suppose it won't do much good this time either, the 2nd Amendment Mythology is too ingrained in some people.

You do realize that is for one year don't you? When you take your 99.9% over the course of a gun owner's lifetime of 75 years, the pure percentage of gun owner's per capita who would shoot or kill someone rises to near 5.5%. But then this doesn't account for multiple shootings by one individual so the 5% would be lower, perhaps 2% - 3%. Not that high but dramatically higher than your 0.1% figure. http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/math/Exponent_Calculator.htm

Considering 'illicit' use of firearms, over the course of a gun owner's life this percentage would increase dramatically, due to accident shootings whether with or without consequence; shooting at property like stop signs & lights; brandishing; reported & unreported violent crimes with guns; myriad of misdemeanor offenses; - the percentage would likely be from 20 to 40% of gun owners illicitly using any of their firearms over the course of their lifetimes.
So beevul, is it the 20% to 40% (imo) of those gun owners who illicitly will use firearms over the course of their lifetimes that we should focus on with preventative laws? or should we leave them 'the hell alone'?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=181601

Your sig line reminds me of this dated gun factoid from 'just facts', tho it's a different argument: just facts: "About 99.8% of firearms and more than 99.6% of handguns will not be used to commit violent crimes in any given year."
Reason for elimination: This statistic neglects key information such as the number of guns in the U.S. Thus, it can create a misleading impression, given that, in 2008, roughly 436,000 violent crimes were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.fourexamples.asp

Oh look, a picture of the Second Amendment. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #1
And yet 99.9x percent of guns aren't used in murders. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #2
But you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #7
Invalid Premises Galore jimmy the one Mar 2016 #18
If you spouted anything else, we might go into shock. beevul Mar 2016 #22
to wit jimmy the one Mar 2016 #24
LOL. THATS your gambit? beevul Mar 2016 #25
resident eevul jimmy the one Mar 2016 #32
Jimmy the wesker? beevul Mar 2016 #34
armed robbery is not misusing a gun? jimmy the one Mar 2016 #35
Are you claiming I said that? beevul Mar 2016 #36
quintuple counting jimmy the one Mar 2016 #37
Says you. beevul Mar 2016 #38
you flunked the quiz jimmy the one Mar 2016 #39
Again, says you. beevul Mar 2016 #40
altered figures do not refute anything jimmy the one Apr 2016 #43
Hah. beevul Apr 2016 #47
As usual, you twist facts to suit your fanciful imagination tortoise1956 Mar 2016 #30
sleeping dogs should stay asleep jimmy the one Mar 2016 #33
Oh, you wound me... tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #41
simple explanation jimmy the one Apr 2016 #42
don't go apoplectic due another error jimmy the one Apr 2016 #44
It's empty underpants Feb 2016 #3
Not necessarily tortoise1956 Mar 2016 #31
and it's obviously aroused Fairgo Feb 2016 #4
Apologies accepted, but you should seek treatment for that case of Markley's Syndrome: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #5
Umm ... no. Straw Man Feb 2016 #8
funny looking AR-15 Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6
A SIG? Really? Straw Man Feb 2016 #9
Actually, the Wright/Rossi prison survey demonstrated that pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #10
Yeah, but ... Straw Man Feb 2016 #11
Especially a single action sig...you can buy 2 plastic striker junkers for that one sig. ileus Feb 2016 #13
Like a Taurus for example. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #28
That was my thought. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #26
Mine are life saving devices...and some of them are beautiful. ileus Feb 2016 #12
Like a fire extinguisher? nt Logical Feb 2016 #16
Fire extinguishers do not make good weapons GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #20
No, the gun wackos love to say a gun is just a tool, like a fire extinguisher, which is BS. nt Logical Mar 2016 #21
Tool- "a device or implement...used to carry out a particular function" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #29
Which is why we need to ban rifles with pistol grips krispos42 Feb 2016 #14
also be most effective anti murder weapon... ileus Feb 2016 #15
If handguns were used in less than 200 murders a year nationwide, benEzra Feb 2016 #17
Not really a Sig Sauer fan myself doggie breath Mar 2016 #19
I don't know my Sig 220 and 229 have never harmed anyone/thing either. ??? ileus Mar 2016 #23
Well technically no, but OK as an exemplar, in one way at least I guess whatthehey Mar 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #45
Sure - as a variant of a very common firearm most used in homicides whatthehey Apr 2016 #46
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