Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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36. Are you claiming I said that?

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:41 PM

Mar 2016

Beevul argues an expedient.

Jimmy the wesker grasps at straws and strawmen.

You claim 99.9% of gun owners do not shoot or kill anyone with a firearm. Over a year that is believable but collapses over time, even 5 years is enough to make your sig line a lie:

Hypothetical - note non fatal shootings & gundeaths combined are closer to 100,000 today.
80,000,000 gun owners - 2000 ------ 80,000 shootings & gundeaths (0.1% x gunowners)
81,000,000 ..... " ........ - 2001 ------ 81,000 ..... "
82,000,000 ..... " ........ - 2002 ------ 82,000 ..... "
83,000,000 ..... " ........ - 2003 ------ 83,000 ..... "
84,000,000 ..... " ........ - 2004 ------ 84,000 ..... "
........................................ total = 410,000

You left out the other total, James. It comes to 410,000,000. What percentage of 410,000,000 is 410,000? Its math and math is hard, but I'm confident that with a few tries you'll get it.

When you take gundeath & gunshooting figures from the 70s, 80's, 90's, you could not contend 99.9% of gun owners did not shoot or kill anyone over a year, it would've been maybe 99.7% or so, creating more shooting gun owners.

As long as you tally both sides and stick to my context it will always be less than 1 percent, which is why you aren't tallying the humbers of those who don't, and why my sig enrages you so.

Too bad so sad.

You speak of total number of people who have owned guns in the past 75 years, of course it will be much higher than the current 'living' yearly estimate of approx. 80 million gun owners. But you use current death statistics, during 80's & 90's the murder rate was 1.5 - 2 times higher than it is now, as well as gunshot injuries being a couple times higher.

Still lower than 1 percent, if you're doing honest math.

I cited death statistics only to show that by using them alone, it would deflate your signature line.

And you failed. Miserably. As long as you tally both sides, the number stays below 1 percent.

As I said earlier, the numbers in my sig were chosen very deliberately, and leave room for error by a factor of multiples.

Too bad for you. Enjoy my sig, it isn't going anywhere.

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The most effective and most often used murder weapon [View all] SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP

Oh look, a picture of the Second Amendment. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #1

And yet 99.9x percent of guns aren't used in murders. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #2

But you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #7

Invalid Premises Galore jimmy the one Mar 2016 #18

If you spouted anything else, we might go into shock. beevul Mar 2016 #22

to wit jimmy the one Mar 2016 #24

LOL. THATS your gambit? beevul Mar 2016 #25

resident eevul jimmy the one Mar 2016 #32

Jimmy the wesker? beevul Mar 2016 #34

armed robbery is not misusing a gun? jimmy the one Mar 2016 #35

Are you claiming I said that? beevul Mar 2016 #36

quintuple counting jimmy the one Mar 2016 #37

Says you. beevul Mar 2016 #38

you flunked the quiz jimmy the one Mar 2016 #39

Again, says you. beevul Mar 2016 #40

altered figures do not refute anything jimmy the one Apr 2016 #43

Hah. beevul Apr 2016 #47

As usual, you twist facts to suit your fanciful imagination tortoise1956 Mar 2016 #30

sleeping dogs should stay asleep jimmy the one Mar 2016 #33

Oh, you wound me... tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #41

simple explanation jimmy the one Apr 2016 #42

don't go apoplectic due another error jimmy the one Apr 2016 #44

It's empty underpants Feb 2016 #3

Not necessarily tortoise1956 Mar 2016 #31

and it's obviously aroused Fairgo Feb 2016 #4

Apologies accepted, but you should seek treatment for that case of Markley's Syndrome: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #5

Umm ... no. Straw Man Feb 2016 #8

funny looking AR-15 Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6

A SIG? Really? Straw Man Feb 2016 #9

Actually, the Wright/Rossi prison survey demonstrated that pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #10

Yeah, but ... Straw Man Feb 2016 #11

Especially a single action sig...you can buy 2 plastic striker junkers for that one sig. ileus Feb 2016 #13

Like a Taurus for example. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #28

That was my thought. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #26

Mine are life saving devices...and some of them are beautiful. ileus Feb 2016 #12

Like a fire extinguisher? nt Logical Feb 2016 #16

Fire extinguishers do not make good weapons GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #20

No, the gun wackos love to say a gun is just a tool, like a fire extinguisher, which is BS. nt Logical Mar 2016 #21

Tool- "a device or implement...used to carry out a particular function" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #29

Which is why we need to ban rifles with pistol grips krispos42 Feb 2016 #14

also be most effective anti murder weapon... ileus Feb 2016 #15

If handguns were used in less than 200 murders a year nationwide, benEzra Feb 2016 #17

Not really a Sig Sauer fan myself doggie breath Mar 2016 #19

I don't know my Sig 220 and 229 have never harmed anyone/thing either. ??? ileus Mar 2016 #23

Well technically no, but OK as an exemplar, in one way at least I guess whatthehey Mar 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #45

Sure - as a variant of a very common firearm most used in homicides whatthehey Apr 2016 #46