Gun Control & RKBA

MillennialDem

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12. There is no "(alleged) relative infrequency" it is a mathematical infrequency. Cannot be argued.

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:42 AM

Apr 2016

More people die from firearm accidents, firearm suicides, OR firearm (unjustified) homicides (ie each of these 3 categories individually) each year than people are justifiably killed by firearm per year. The same applies to injuries from accidents and assaults (and possibly suicide attempts).

These are mathematical FACTS unless the data is incorrect.

Now you can maybe argue that firearms save lives because the non-shooting defensive gun uses, but that's pretty tenuous. No good studies have be done with those figures. Certainly nothing that would pass muster in a math or science class, because the data from the few studies that have been done is virtually unverifiable, let alone the real test for conclusive data: unfalsifiable.

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"Attempted Robbery Near Goudy School Turns Fatal When Victim Shoots Robber" [View all] DonP Apr 2016 OP

This cannot be counted as a defensive gun use GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #1

Logical circle jerk. mikeysnot Apr 2016 #2

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There is no "(alleged) relative infrequency" it is a mathematical infrequency. Cannot be argued. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #12

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How about this statistic MillennialDem Apr 2016 #16

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I'm not sure what you mean by "recruiting stations"? Military? But would I volunteer to MillennialDem Apr 2016 #19

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Armor (as in armored vehicles). If they'd let this old girl in at this point. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #21

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Easy, if the muppet refuses to come out, leave but throw a GPS on their car and figure out their MillennialDem Apr 2016 #25

Funny how somebody claiming to be progressive loves the idea of a police state so much DonP Apr 2016 #37

Nah, I just rely on not being perpetually scared my whole life. I feel bad for children of gunners MillennialDem Apr 2016 #38

Sure you do DonP Apr 2016 #39

Not even sure if you're saying I go to gun control meetings and mock me for that, or if you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #40

Let me help you out here DonP Apr 2016 #41

I do better than that MillennialDem Apr 2016 #42

Good lord, please stop using the discredited Kellerman study! DonP Apr 2016 #43

The problem is MillennialDem Apr 2016 #44

Thats an opinion, and one not very well grounded in reality. beevul Apr 2016 #45

So, bottom line, you're just another online whiner about guns DonP Apr 2016 #46

Who is a moron? Marengo Apr 2016 #49

"Muppet"? What is this "muppet" you speak of? Marengo Apr 2016 #48

Your "facts" are disingenuous... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #32

1. Defensive gun use has never been falsifiably studied and 2. It doesn't include MillennialDem Apr 2016 #34

Ah, the anticipated "Self Defense Denier" arrives, spews and departs DonP Apr 2016 #4

Few deny that some guns are used in self defense. The problem is more people die from gun MillennialDem Apr 2016 #13

An accurate scientific study is not possible, it will always be an "estimate" DonP Apr 2016 #15

You could do a scientific study. It would be costly, but it could be done. I also never said the CDC MillennialDem Apr 2016 #17

So, how do you propose to scientifically study "unreported incidents"? DonP Apr 2016 #23

Cameras on people with guns and without guns... MillennialDem Apr 2016 #24

Yeah, that whole 5th amendment thing is over rated too. DonP Apr 2016 #26

They would obviously be volunteering. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #27

Are you suggesting that people under surveillance... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #28

If you want to go by justified gun uses, you're going to pull your gun regardless of whether MillennialDem Apr 2016 #29

Unless you propose making a body cam mandatory... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #30

I think if you sweeten the pot with a money for participation in the study you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #31

People being watched act differently than those not watched. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #33

If you have to justifiably pull a gun, you should do it. It might cut down on the MillennialDem Apr 2016 #35

Agreed, you should. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #36

And I thought it would be difficult to top safe rooms constructed with derelict refrigerators... Marengo Apr 2016 #47

K&R discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #6

That's why I included that last paragraph DonP Apr 2016 #7

Guns protecting lives....now that's how it's supposed to be. ileus Apr 2016 #8

Hate he had to shoot someone TeddyR Apr 2016 #9

Shot in the shoulder and leg shadowrider Apr 2016 #10

Also interesting that the neighbor reported hearing about 13 shots TeddyR Apr 2016 #11