Gun Control & RKBA

MillennialDem

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13. Few deny that some guns are used in self defense. The problem is more people die from gun

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:45 AM

Apr 2016

ownership / easy access to guns than would if we had no gun ownership / easy access to guns.

This is mathematical fact, until proven otherwise with a good scientific study (none that have been so far meet the criteria) that shows guns were needed to prevent more murders / assaults than murders or assaults or accidents caused by guns.

I'm all for a good study being done on this and letting the chips fall where they may. For now the falsifiable data tells us otherwise though.

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"Attempted Robbery Near Goudy School Turns Fatal When Victim Shoots Robber" [View all] DonP Apr 2016 OP

This cannot be counted as a defensive gun use GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #1

Logical circle jerk. mikeysnot Apr 2016 #2

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There is no "(alleged) relative infrequency" it is a mathematical infrequency. Cannot be argued. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #12

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How about this statistic MillennialDem Apr 2016 #16

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I'm not sure what you mean by "recruiting stations"? Military? But would I volunteer to MillennialDem Apr 2016 #19

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Armor (as in armored vehicles). If they'd let this old girl in at this point. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #21

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Easy, if the muppet refuses to come out, leave but throw a GPS on their car and figure out their MillennialDem Apr 2016 #25

Funny how somebody claiming to be progressive loves the idea of a police state so much DonP Apr 2016 #37

Nah, I just rely on not being perpetually scared my whole life. I feel bad for children of gunners MillennialDem Apr 2016 #38

Sure you do DonP Apr 2016 #39

Not even sure if you're saying I go to gun control meetings and mock me for that, or if you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #40

Let me help you out here DonP Apr 2016 #41

I do better than that MillennialDem Apr 2016 #42

Good lord, please stop using the discredited Kellerman study! DonP Apr 2016 #43

The problem is MillennialDem Apr 2016 #44

Thats an opinion, and one not very well grounded in reality. beevul Apr 2016 #45

So, bottom line, you're just another online whiner about guns DonP Apr 2016 #46

Who is a moron? Marengo Apr 2016 #49

"Muppet"? What is this "muppet" you speak of? Marengo Apr 2016 #48

Your "facts" are disingenuous... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #32

1. Defensive gun use has never been falsifiably studied and 2. It doesn't include MillennialDem Apr 2016 #34

Ah, the anticipated "Self Defense Denier" arrives, spews and departs DonP Apr 2016 #4

Few deny that some guns are used in self defense. The problem is more people die from gun MillennialDem Apr 2016 #13

An accurate scientific study is not possible, it will always be an "estimate" DonP Apr 2016 #15

You could do a scientific study. It would be costly, but it could be done. I also never said the CDC MillennialDem Apr 2016 #17

So, how do you propose to scientifically study "unreported incidents"? DonP Apr 2016 #23

Cameras on people with guns and without guns... MillennialDem Apr 2016 #24

Yeah, that whole 5th amendment thing is over rated too. DonP Apr 2016 #26

They would obviously be volunteering. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #27

Are you suggesting that people under surveillance... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #28

If you want to go by justified gun uses, you're going to pull your gun regardless of whether MillennialDem Apr 2016 #29

Unless you propose making a body cam mandatory... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #30

I think if you sweeten the pot with a money for participation in the study you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #31

People being watched act differently than those not watched. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #33

If you have to justifiably pull a gun, you should do it. It might cut down on the MillennialDem Apr 2016 #35

Agreed, you should. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #36

And I thought it would be difficult to top safe rooms constructed with derelict refrigerators... Marengo Apr 2016 #47

K&R discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #5

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That's why I included that last paragraph DonP Apr 2016 #7

Guns protecting lives....now that's how it's supposed to be. ileus Apr 2016 #8

Hate he had to shoot someone TeddyR Apr 2016 #9

Shot in the shoulder and leg shadowrider Apr 2016 #10

Also interesting that the neighbor reported hearing about 13 shots TeddyR Apr 2016 #11