Gun Control & RKBA

beardown

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25. Explain difference between 'life and safety' and 'self-defense'

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:35 AM

Apr 2016

From the Civil rights paragraph "Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life and safety

Not that you wrote the wikipedia, but I don't get how ensuring "life and safety" is so separate and distinct from "self-defense" that it falls into your 'right wing/NRA' talking point outrage.

I think many RKBA folks are well aware, actually, much more aware than anti-gunners, of how gun laws and regulations have been used to restrict and remove civil rights from targeted groups.

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Why do you care about the RKBA? [View all] Kang Colby Apr 2016 OP

because it is used to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people just so gunner can msongs Apr 2016 #1

I don't think the RKBA is used to justify killing at all. n/t Kang Colby Apr 2016 #3

Not at all. Straw Man Apr 2016 #6

"it is used to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people" beergood Apr 2016 #8

Actually, my activism has come lately as well, thanks to people like msongs... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #37

The Constitution is a package deal. HassleCat Apr 2016 #2

That's how I ALMOST feel. metroins Apr 2016 #4

Yes it can. tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #5

No. 1, it is a right, and I don't give those up. Big_Mike Apr 2016 #7

"No. 1, it is a right, and I don't give those up." beergood Apr 2016 #9

No. 2, shooting well is a very frangible skill; it requires constant practice to stay good. flamin lib Apr 2016 #35

So then you would agree sarisataka Apr 2016 #36

We differ in our definitions of "shooting well" Big_Mike Apr 2016 #40

According to the expert, you only needed a single training event... Marengo Apr 2016 #41

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First Army Area Commanding General's Rifle team. Iron sights. nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #45

As an active, national-level competition shooter, I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #46

I don't care about the rkba. Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #10

I support all Civil Rights. theatre goon Apr 2016 #11

Correct, the majority of Democrats do not agree with your right wing views on RKBA. SecularMotion Apr 2016 #12

Exactly why I support it. theatre goon Apr 2016 #13

Claiming gun rights as a civil right is a RW talking point SecularMotion Apr 2016 #14

Asserting something with which you don't agree is a "talking point"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #15

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground SecularMotion Apr 2016 #17

Thanks for making my point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #18

BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #22

See #37. You are another reason for my pro-2A activism. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #38

Exactly. Kang Colby Apr 2016 #39

It's an invalid planted axiom that pro-2nd-Am views are "RW." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #47

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RTFM SecularMotion Apr 2016 #50

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The Democratic party's official platform TeddyR Apr 2016 #55

Not at all... theatre goon Apr 2016 #16

So the Bill of Rights doesn't delineate civil rights? hack89 Apr 2016 #19

According to some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #20

The right to self-defense is known as a political right SecularMotion Apr 2016 #21

self defense is a fundamental natural right for all species gejohnston Apr 2016 #23

Politicians who speak out against the NRA/Gun Lobby SecularMotion Apr 2016 #24

Funny, gejohnston Apr 2016 #26

Why is it they choose sarisataka Apr 2016 #28

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Over the course of sarisataka Apr 2016 #57

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agree beergood Apr 2016 #87

Explain difference between 'life and safety' and 'self-defense' beardown Apr 2016 #25

But there are no higher rights than those recognized in the Constitution hack89 Apr 2016 #27

False. The Right to Vote is "higher right". stone space Apr 2016 #60

The Constitution mentions the right to vote five times hack89 Apr 2016 #61

Do you support the Right to Vote Amendment? stone space Apr 2016 #66

But the right to vote is not a higher right hack89 Apr 2016 #68

It's an "Actual Right", not a "Higher Right". See my correction, below. stone space Apr 2016 #70

Every right mentioned in the Constitution is an actual right. Nt hack89 Apr 2016 #73

I can't even read most Constitutions in their original languages. stone space Apr 2016 #75

If they are not actual then what else can they be? hack89 Apr 2016 #76

I've been arrested on the steps of the US Supreme Court before. stone space Apr 2016 #78

You didn't answer the question hack89 Apr 2016 #80

And thats supposed to speak in your favor? beevul Apr 2016 #77

How many Constitutions and religious texts can you read in their original languages? stone space Apr 2016 #81

Asked like it matters to this discussion. It doesn't. beevul Apr 2016 #83

Most constitutions are modeled after the US version discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #84

You have left the question hanging, sarisataka Apr 2016 #86

A "higher right"??? Really? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #62

I stand corrected. Please replace "higher" with "actual" in my post above. stone space Apr 2016 #64

A... for your thoughts... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #69

Its a constitutionally protected civil right. beevul Apr 2016 #32

A constitutionally protected hobby does not a civil right make. stone space Apr 2016 #59

Your inability to address the fact... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #63

How YOU define it is not relevant. beevul Apr 2016 #65

Do you have an arguement beyond "Arguement From Authority"? stone space Apr 2016 #67

Argument from authority? beevul Apr 2016 #71

I'm talking about basic and fundamental civil and human rights. stone space Apr 2016 #72

Thats nice. beevul Apr 2016 #74

Just catching up on this thread TeddyR Apr 2016 #82

See post #84 discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #85

The right to keep and bear arms TeddyR Apr 2016 #79

Only in Wikipedia... tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #33

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It's so seldom one sees an an appeal to popularity; it being such a fragile rhetorical device. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #43

What "right wing views" would those be TeddyR Apr 2016 #56

Because it's a barometer for all other rights. linuxman Apr 2016 #29

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Because it's the progressive thing to do... ileus Apr 2016 #34

Because of... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #42

forgive my ignorance beergood Apr 2016 #88

Taibo Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #89

protection beergood Apr 2016 #90

First thing they did... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #91

Because I do not trust the police when my safety is at stake The Green Manalishi Apr 2016 #58