Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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65. How YOU define it is not relevant.

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:13 AM

Apr 2016

A constitutionally protected hobby does not a civil right make.

How YOU define it is not relevant.

When folks talk about actual civil and human rights, we are generally talking about REAL civil and human rights, not just presumed constitutional legal protections for individual hobbies, and industries supporting those hobbies.

The narrowly defined definitions that you and so many gun haters use is not relevant. Lets see what the definition is from say...cornell law school:

A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwis0M_zkaXMAhVC7mMKHQJQDHUQFggnMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fwex%2Fcivil_rights&usg=AFQjCNEdBStWOnoi4X2NoiyNOwbsOpHnrQ

You know, like the Right to Vote. That is a civil and human right, despite it not yet appearing in Holy Scripture.

See above, mister calculolz teacher. If speech and press protected by amendment 1 are civil rights, than so are the rights protected by amendment 2.

You can disagree until you're blue in the face, but you'll just be wrong.

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Why do you care about the RKBA? [View all] Kang Colby Apr 2016 OP

because it is used to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people just so gunner can msongs Apr 2016 #1

I don't think the RKBA is used to justify killing at all. n/t Kang Colby Apr 2016 #3

Not at all. Straw Man Apr 2016 #6

"it is used to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people" beergood Apr 2016 #8

Actually, my activism has come lately as well, thanks to people like msongs... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #37

The Constitution is a package deal. HassleCat Apr 2016 #2

That's how I ALMOST feel. metroins Apr 2016 #4

Yes it can. tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #5

No. 1, it is a right, and I don't give those up. Big_Mike Apr 2016 #7

"No. 1, it is a right, and I don't give those up." beergood Apr 2016 #9

No. 2, shooting well is a very frangible skill; it requires constant practice to stay good. flamin lib Apr 2016 #35

So then you would agree sarisataka Apr 2016 #36

We differ in our definitions of "shooting well" Big_Mike Apr 2016 #40

According to the expert, you only needed a single training event... Marengo Apr 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #44

First Army Area Commanding General's Rifle team. Iron sights. nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #45

As an active, national-level competition shooter, I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #46

I don't care about the rkba. Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #10

I support all Civil Rights. theatre goon Apr 2016 #11

Correct, the majority of Democrats do not agree with your right wing views on RKBA. SecularMotion Apr 2016 #12

Exactly why I support it. theatre goon Apr 2016 #13

Claiming gun rights as a civil right is a RW talking point SecularMotion Apr 2016 #14

Asserting something with which you don't agree is a "talking point"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #15

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground SecularMotion Apr 2016 #17

Thanks for making my point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #18

BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #22

See #37. You are another reason for my pro-2A activism. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #38

Exactly. Kang Colby Apr 2016 #39

It's an invalid planted axiom that pro-2nd-Am views are "RW." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #47

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RTFM SecularMotion Apr 2016 #50

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The Democratic party's official platform TeddyR Apr 2016 #55

Not at all... theatre goon Apr 2016 #16

So the Bill of Rights doesn't delineate civil rights? hack89 Apr 2016 #19

According to some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #20

The right to self-defense is known as a political right SecularMotion Apr 2016 #21

self defense is a fundamental natural right for all species gejohnston Apr 2016 #23

Politicians who speak out against the NRA/Gun Lobby SecularMotion Apr 2016 #24

Funny, gejohnston Apr 2016 #26

Why is it they choose sarisataka Apr 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #49

Over the course of sarisataka Apr 2016 #57

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agree beergood Apr 2016 #87

Explain difference between 'life and safety' and 'self-defense' beardown Apr 2016 #25

But there are no higher rights than those recognized in the Constitution hack89 Apr 2016 #27

False. The Right to Vote is "higher right". stone space Apr 2016 #60

The Constitution mentions the right to vote five times hack89 Apr 2016 #61

Do you support the Right to Vote Amendment? stone space Apr 2016 #66

But the right to vote is not a higher right hack89 Apr 2016 #68

It's an "Actual Right", not a "Higher Right". See my correction, below. stone space Apr 2016 #70

Every right mentioned in the Constitution is an actual right. Nt hack89 Apr 2016 #73

I can't even read most Constitutions in their original languages. stone space Apr 2016 #75

If they are not actual then what else can they be? hack89 Apr 2016 #76

I've been arrested on the steps of the US Supreme Court before. stone space Apr 2016 #78

You didn't answer the question hack89 Apr 2016 #80

And thats supposed to speak in your favor? beevul Apr 2016 #77

How many Constitutions and religious texts can you read in their original languages? stone space Apr 2016 #81

Asked like it matters to this discussion. It doesn't. beevul Apr 2016 #83

Most constitutions are modeled after the US version discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #84

You have left the question hanging, sarisataka Apr 2016 #86

A "higher right"??? Really? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #62

I stand corrected. Please replace "higher" with "actual" in my post above. stone space Apr 2016 #64

A... for your thoughts... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #69

Its a constitutionally protected civil right. beevul Apr 2016 #32

A constitutionally protected hobby does not a civil right make. stone space Apr 2016 #59

Your inability to address the fact... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #63

How YOU define it is not relevant. beevul Apr 2016 #65

Do you have an arguement beyond "Arguement From Authority"? stone space Apr 2016 #67

Argument from authority? beevul Apr 2016 #71

I'm talking about basic and fundamental civil and human rights. stone space Apr 2016 #72

Thats nice. beevul Apr 2016 #74

Just catching up on this thread TeddyR Apr 2016 #82

See post #84 discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #85

The right to keep and bear arms TeddyR Apr 2016 #79

Only in Wikipedia... tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #31

It's so seldom one sees an an appeal to popularity; it being such a fragile rhetorical device. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #43

What "right wing views" would those be TeddyR Apr 2016 #56

Because it's a barometer for all other rights. linuxman Apr 2016 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #30

Because it's the progressive thing to do... ileus Apr 2016 #34

Because of... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #42

forgive my ignorance beergood Apr 2016 #88

Taibo Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #89

protection beergood Apr 2016 #90

First thing they did... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #91

Because I do not trust the police when my safety is at stake The Green Manalishi Apr 2016 #58