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gejohnston

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34. less than five seconds
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

granted, I knew about Ms. Moss for a couple of years. For every one person murdered with a gun in the US, two die of heroin overdose. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, even Japan and Australia, if you can get a bag of pot or heroin, you can get a gun.

I'm not going to waste time with you while you try to justify your rather pathetic need to carry a firearm.
Give my state's very liberal gun laws, most people own guns, and the last homicide was eight months ago. My county hasn't had a firearms related homicide since 1982. The two homicides since then has been some piss poor mom beating her infant to death. The one before that, over thirty years ago, was a stabbing. Some junkie on PCP thought a high school girl was deer from outer space, at least that is the claim he made in court. That said, one thing authoritarians don't get is that I don't have to justify anything to you or anyone else. It is up to those seeking the added restrictions justify to us the need for restriction and that those restrictions will have the desired effect, preferably using facts and evidence. That has never happened. I have yet to find any gun, pot, gay marriage prohibitionist come up with a single fact based argument free of logical fallacies. Not one.

BTW, you failed to provide a single shred of evidence that the graph, with information provided by your police, is wrong. I'll provide some possible evidence here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25002927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
Oh wait.

The incident took place at around 11:00 p.m. local time (0400 GMT) at the end of the prom, with multiple gunshots heard in the school building.
Unless it is gang related, these incidents are quite rare. Most of our murder victims are black. If you are white, not a member or associate of a gang, or doing somebody else's spouse, your chances of being murdered are lower here than there.
We had gun control long before 1997. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #1
very true, gejohnston Apr 2016 #3
I think you have a logical fallacy... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #7
the start of their laws was about 1920 gejohnston Apr 2016 #9
I also don't trust murder rates from earlier years. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #12
the UK has kept their murder statistics since 1920 gejohnston Apr 2016 #14
The point of the article was only the gun sales. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #16
post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Apr 2016 #17
We all know gun statics are slanted. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #19
Let's compare countries with stricter gun laws than the UK, gejohnston Apr 2016 #20
I don't trust your figures. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #10
We don't either, and the numbers are from your home office gejohnston Apr 2016 #13
Figures from any source can be manipulated. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #15
the FBI definition of mass murder is gejohnston Apr 2016 #18
We don't have mass shootings. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #22
You didn't have any before either, so gejohnston Apr 2016 #26
You desperately need to grip hold of a gun don't you? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #29
Whats with you anti-gunners and the personal attacks? beevul Apr 2016 #31
Insecure and penis envy? DonP Apr 2016 #33
Just pointing out the motivation. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #38
How would you know, are you carnac? beevul Apr 2016 #41
That's what I'm doing with this thread. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #42
Bull. beevul Apr 2016 #43
less than five seconds gejohnston Apr 2016 #34
Places such as NYC, DC and LA... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #6
That tight control is meaningless, Bad Dog Apr 2016 #8
criminals don't buy their guns from licensed dealers or gun shows gejohnston Apr 2016 #11
Mass shooters tend to acquire their firearms legally. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #24
rampage killers often don't use guns gejohnston Apr 2016 #27
None of which changes anything. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #28
do you have anything better than a simplistic statement and a logical fallacy? gejohnston Apr 2016 #35
I have a lot better thing to do than waste time on this. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #37
in other words, I was correct gejohnston Apr 2016 #40
Are you aware... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #45
They are not. Furthermore, they fantasize about shooting people: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #46
Are you aware.. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #49
Are you aware... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #50
Sure you are. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #51
Agreed, gun-control is meaningless discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #21
I see that comment shot over your head. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #23
Border control... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #25
You didn't think of that because it's flaming obvious. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #30
You know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #32
Heheheh.... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #36
The areas of your country with supposed better gun control aren't getting them from Mexico. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #39
The truth is you brought up the issue of border control... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #44
I don't want to do anything to your country. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #52
re: "I don't want to do anything to your country." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #53
Nothing that you'd listen to. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #54
Which is???? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #55
Sensible gun control. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #56
Since "Sensible gun control." is about as definitive as... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #57
Like what we have. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #58
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #59
I wasn't being obscure. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #60
I didn't think you were. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #61
You could ban politicians from voting on vested interests. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #62
Campaign finance reform is a popular topic discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #63
Don't get me wrong, it's bad over here. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #64
Wont do much in this case. beevul Apr 2016 #65
Well, if Texas has better border control, Oklahoma has to pay for it. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #47
1999-2005 Califonz Apr 2016 #2
is there any thought to the fact that it would have been far worse without gun control MariaThinks Apr 2016 #4
no, gejohnston Apr 2016 #5
I've noticed over the years how homicide rates around the world have dropped starting in the 90s... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #48
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