Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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33. Yup.

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:32 PM

Apr 2016

- solution based strategy - if we agree there is a problem, can we agree on finding a solution?

First we have to agree on what the problem actually is.

Second, we have to agree that there are limits and avenues which will not be allowed as a solution.

Absence of a law to control private gun sales aka background checks (loopholes as I have mistakenly named it).
There is no law over these sales.
Do you agree that this needs to be addressed?

All I've seen is "we want this" with very little discussion of how much or how big of a problem it is first.

Alot of Tea Party people are Pro Guns - yet they like to cut programs designed to help police the guns. Why?

Because ATF has a checkered past and has been known to operate with an ideological agenda.

If you are a Dem and Pro-Gun, then do you agree we should spend more money on the ATF? Other programs?

So long as ATF cleans up their act...

You posted several links to DU posts from 2 years ago, regarding "no one is taking our guns"
That's it - nothing else to take away here.....You support a pro-gun platform, no problem.

No. That was a link to a search, which shows numerous examples of people that want to take away at least some if not all guns.

It contradicts your claim that "nobody wants to take anyones guns".

Yes we try to convict and send killers to jail but what do we do to stop them from getting the gun in the first place?
Not much.

We used to keep them in jails, where guns are scarce. Now we let them out, and people like you want to further diminish the right to keep and bear arms instead.

I hope you are not saying its ok for "other" people to kill each other as long as you have your gun in your safe cul de sac.

Outside of self defense its never ok to kill people, but I also blame the individual not the instrument when people break that law.

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Cruz’s Gun Control Deception [View all] SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #1

Glad I'm not voting for Cruz. Anyway... jmg257 Apr 2016 #2

What I see TeddyR Apr 2016 #3

Chicago rate = 14.35, DC rate = 14.72 discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #4

Who gives a rip what Cruz says? GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #6

re: "In 2014, Washington, D.C., reported 15.9 murders for every 100,000 people..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #7

Except that flooded the streets with guns... scscholar Apr 2016 #28

I'm legitimately not sure what point you are trying to make TeddyR Apr 2016 #30

Really??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #37

Is The NRA Wrong? New Study Shows Guns Rarely Used For Self-Defense aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #8

Why are you bringing up the NRA, nobody else is? DonP Apr 2016 #9

What's this "we" nonsense? SecularMotion Apr 2016 #10

Oooh look, it can speak DonP Apr 2016 #11

Wow, a response Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #12

Fair enough - Although credible sources could be a matter of opinion. aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #16

"Or should we do nothing and watch the numbers rise? " DonP Apr 2016 #18

One firearm death is one too many..... aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #19

"how can we move to a consensus to protect the 2nd and the rest of Americans?" beevul Apr 2016 #20

An open minded discussion allows for good conversation...... aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #23

Except anti-gunners do not have open minds. beevul Apr 2016 #25

Gun Control talking points..... aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #32

Yup. beevul Apr 2016 #33

All we need is an unbiased SC who rejects the monstrosity known as "Heller" and Actor Apr 2016 #26

Why do you think the 2d limits gun ownership to militia members TeddyR Apr 2016 #29

In other words, you want a biased court. beevul Apr 2016 #34

"The majority of Americans DO want gun control - based on polling data. " DonP Apr 2016 #24

gun studies by the VPC is like a climate change study gejohnston Apr 2016 #13

All very good points TeddyR Apr 2016 #14

The control side has to buy into some myths DonP Apr 2016 #15

The "Do Nothing" approach isn't working to reduce firearm deaths aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #17

"The "Do Nothing" approach..." beevul Apr 2016 #21

Of course we do nothing. aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #27

You can stop with the pretense. beevul Apr 2016 #31

Unfettered access to guns? - Sounds like the middle east! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #38

Ahh, more pretense. beevul Apr 2016 #42

OK - maybe unfetterred was not the best word to use aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #43

It was predictable. beevul Apr 2016 #49

Ahhh, there's that word again; Compromise - "What are you willing to give up?" DonP Apr 2016 #52

Ed Zachary. beevul Apr 2016 #53

I think they just desperately want to think of themselves as "moderates" on gun control DonP Apr 2016 #55

I can appreciate conjecture........but........ aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #56

Its not conjecture. beevul Apr 2016 #59

Simple Definition of conjecture : an opinion or idea formed without proof or sufficient evidence aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #61

"I have come here...with the objective of trying to draw some consensus" I doubt that very much friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #67

Glad you came to post! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #70

OK, which *extant* gun regulation(s) would you be willing to give up, in exchange for others? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #71

I have learned alot from this forum but... aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #74

You can't help but double down, can you. beevul Apr 2016 #69

Texas Hold'em Poker! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #72

I'll stand pat. beevul Apr 2016 #75

Gonna fold for now...you have given me plenty to ponder aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #76

Fair enough. beevul Apr 2016 #78

You've pointed out once again the gun controller's fraudulent version of 'reasonableness': friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #73

Almost missed this post aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #79

an assault weapon is any gun gejohnston Apr 2016 #39

Interesting talking points on assault weapons aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #41

still not one valid argument gejohnston Apr 2016 #44

Valid argument? Who's arguing? aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #48

"Assault weapons" are civilian non-automatics (mostly small caliber), not machineguns. benEzra Apr 2016 #50

I can appreciate being specific in this forum aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #58

They are indeed rifles. The most common rifles in U.S. homes, in fact. benEzra Apr 2016 #68

Thank you benEzra! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #77

Shrug? Straw Man Apr 2016 #22

Good points aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #40

A few more clarifications. Straw Man Apr 2016 #45

Thanks aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #47

You're welcome. Straw Man Apr 2016 #54

I didn't say anything about doing nothing gejohnston Apr 2016 #35

This is a perfect example of why... beevul Apr 2016 #36

Very interesting analysis aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #46

"Assault weapons" are legal in Germany, Sweden, France, Norway, Hungary, Switzerland, Finland... benEzra Apr 2016 #51

Informative post! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #57

Is your goal saving lives or culture war? gejohnston Apr 2016 #60

Hmmm...it is reducing deaths, but it is quickly becoming a culture war aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #62

It has always been about culture gejohnston Apr 2016 #64

Thank you gejohnston aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #66

Were it not for the ongoing Holy War against lawful and responsible ownership, benEzra Apr 2016 #63

Great post! aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #65