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louis-t

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43. By the way, I just read the report you included.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

The first page of the report verifies what I said about the NRA claims:

"Pro-gun advocates – from individual gun owners to organizations like the National Rifle Association – frequently claim that guns are used up to 2.5 million times each year in self-defense in the United States."

"Much discussion about the protective benefits of guns has focused on the incidence of self-defense gun use. Proponents of such putative benefits often
claim that 2.5 million Americans use guns in self-defense against criminal attackers each year. This estimate is not plausible and has been nominated as
the most outrageous number mentioned in a policy discussion by an elected official."

And in the conclusion:
"And contrary to the common stereotype promulgated by the gun lobby, those killed in justifiable homicide incidents don’t always fit the expected profile of an attack by a stranger: in 27.0 percent of the justifiable homicides that occurred in 2013 the persons shot and killed were known to the shooter."
And:
"When analyzing the most reliable data available, what is most
striking is that in a nation of more than 300 million guns, how rarely firearms are used in self-defense."
Nice cherry-picking, though.

Good for her! Indydem Apr 2016 #1
Ok Wayne LaPierre, one in 1,000 success story, so make the most of it Perseus Apr 2016 #2
I think you'll find that most people that post in this group TeddyR Apr 2016 #4
Ditto this: 1monster Apr 2016 #5
"very few people are against owning guns" sarisataka Apr 2016 #8
Then why are their top legislative priorities... benEzra Apr 2016 #13
You took the words right out of my mouth, Ben. beevul Apr 2016 #19
"And I'll just bet you and I are nowhere near alone in that." You certainly aren't! friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #30
Hear, hear!!! n/t Mugu Apr 2016 #32
So is it your contention ... Straw Man Apr 2016 #14
Nice and typical Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #51
I'm fine with self-defense. You're lying. shenmue Apr 2016 #6
You speak for yourself sarisataka Apr 2016 #9
Fucking bullshit. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #7
No it's true sarisataka Apr 2016 #15
This si why we must always stay progressive on the 2A. ileus Apr 2016 #3
Hey, that's one, for April! louis-t Apr 2016 #10
What would you say sarisataka Apr 2016 #16
Ha! How many of them were guys going into a bar louis-t Apr 2016 #22
Well since you have an open mind, sarisataka Apr 2016 #25
So, you must believe that the "liberal media" louis-t Apr 2016 #42
You take anecdote sarisataka Apr 2016 #48
By the way, I just read the report you included. louis-t Apr 2016 #43
Fast read sarisataka Apr 2016 #49
Uh, You did cherry pick. The first 2 pages had louis-t May 2016 #58
You had to look for the data sarisataka May 2016 #59
Mmm, I see. Deliberately de-emphasized. louis-t May 2016 #60
"Abstract" sarisataka May 2016 #61
the NRA never claimed there were up to two million a year gejohnston Apr 2016 #26
All 80 yo women are expected to have the stamina and strength to defeat a knife armed 25 yo... Marengo Apr 2016 #27
The son was there. Did you even bother to read? louis-t Apr 2016 #44
What did the son do? What action did he take? Marengo May 2016 #55
She should be forced to rely on the patriarchy? beevul May 2016 #57
"a baseball bat would have worked just as well." beergood Apr 2016 #36
Now you're just trying way too hard. louis-t Apr 2016 #45
thank you beergood May 2016 #62
This news situation rarely happens. So, "what if possession saves ONE precious life"? vkkv Apr 2016 #11
You may already know this TeddyR Apr 2016 #17
We've outlawed rocket launchers, yes? vkkv Apr 2016 #18
No, we actually haven't. beevul Apr 2016 #20
Good luck buying one... eom vkkv Apr 2016 #23
Don't need it. I have no desire to own one. beevul Apr 2016 #24
Quick google search located operational RPG7ds for sale in the USA... Marengo Apr 2016 #28
In the market? gejohnston Apr 2016 #29
The fact that gun ranges don't permit TeddyR Apr 2016 #31
Wow, that come back has GOT to be the most childish thing anyone could come up with. vkkv Apr 2016 #34
so much wrong with what you wrote beergood Apr 2016 #35
Yes our streets would be much safer if drug dealers gejohnston Apr 2016 #40
You clearly don't understand range rules. Straw Man Apr 2016 #54
I happen to value my one precious life. ileus Apr 2016 #33
there's beergood Apr 2016 #37
Semi-auto refers to the loading of the next round AUTOMATICALLY by blow-back method. vkkv Apr 2016 #38
No. They can't. beevul Apr 2016 #39
no they aren't. gejohnston Apr 2016 #41
Gee, I'm so glad we have the gun techs here louis-t Apr 2016 #46
You're welcome. Straw Man Apr 2016 #47
I wonder if that one would be okay with legislating women's reproductive rights... Marengo May 2016 #56
I'm guessing you'd prefer less biased sources of information... beevul Apr 2016 #50
Amen to over technical elitists beardown Apr 2016 #53
Take all weapons away from men safeinOhio Apr 2016 #12
What about the men who live with older women? beevul Apr 2016 #21
Thank God for McDonald v. Chicago bluestateguy Apr 2016 #52
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