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Gun Control & RKBA

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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:59 PM May 2016

We Are More Afraid Than Ever of Gun Violence, But the Truth Is the Murder Rate Is at a 50-Year Low [View all]

Some may even think that the more scared Americans get about gun violence, the more likely it is we’ll pass laws that will reduce it. Maybe, maybe not.

Now, about that data. As the image at the top of the post demonstrates, the U.S. murder rate is now lower than it has been in half a century. According to some measures, the current murder rate approaches the lowest levels seen in more than 100 years. Or maybe even ever.

As for mass shootings in the U.S.? James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University criminologist and co-author of Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder, has shown that the number of incidents — defined as any shooting in which four or more people died — has remained steady over recent decades, despite the doubling of the U.S. population since 1960. Regarding gun deaths as a whole, the data just about exactly parallels the overall U.S. homicide rate.

Additionally, Pew recently asked Americans whether the number of gun crimes has gone down, gone up, or stayed the same over the past 20 years. Bear in mind that the gun murder rate is half what it was, and the rate of non-fatal gun crimes is about a quarter of what it was 20 years ago. Only 12 percent said gun crimes were down, 26 percent said they were the same, and 56 percent said they’ve gone up.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/we-are-more-afraid-than-e_b_8740750.html

Apologies in advance, as this article is about six months old.

I think it's interesting because the author points out that when Americans are led to believe violence is out of control, legislatures tend to react. Last time this phenomenon occurred, the result was prison policies that led to mass incarceration. Could gun controllers attempt to pad the "gun violence" numbers with suicides obstruct efforts at criminal justice reform? Food for thought.

Lastly, despite the proliferation of liberalized carry, violent crime is way down.
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Kinda so what? EdwardBernays May 2016 #1
Generally speaking, gun murders are 50% lower with many more guns in civilian circulation. Kang Colby May 2016 #2
Here's the thing EdwardBernays May 2016 #5
Japan has almost no private gun ownership TeddyR May 2016 #6
yes and? EdwardBernays May 2016 #9
Since Japan contradicted your point? TeddyR May 2016 #14
False. Kang Colby May 2016 #12
we really don't gejohnston May 2016 #3
There you go, bringing facts into the discussion. theatre goon May 2016 #4
those weren't facts EdwardBernays May 2016 #8
Oh, I'm sorry... theatre goon May 2016 #10
Use Google EdwardBernays May 2016 #11
Actually, they were speculation. Straw Man May 2016 #41
When they don't have an answer to what was actually stated... theatre goon May 2016 #43
not true EdwardBernays May 2016 #7
Please. Kang Colby May 2016 #13
Are you saying Jews with guns would have stopped the 'final solution'? angstlessk May 2016 #16
No, but gun ownership would have made it more difficult...in my opinion. Lives would have been saved Kang Colby May 2016 #17
A few guns against the government is suicide...what lives would have been saved? angstlessk May 2016 #18
Tell that to the Viet Cong, Afghans, or dozens of other groups throughout history. Kang Colby May 2016 #22
Are you proposing insurrection of the US? angstlessk May 2016 #23
No. Kang Colby May 2016 #24
No I have read Howard Zinn's History of the United States angstlessk May 2016 #25
Sadly, I'm unfamiliar with Howard Zinn. I might have to check out his books sometime. Kang Colby May 2016 #26
I have audio.com and have gifted Howard Zinns book to many angstlessk May 2016 #28
That sounds great. Thank you for the offer. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #35
1200 saved by the Bielski group. Straw Man May 2016 #40
Defiance CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #47
The wisdom of Tuvia discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #48
Seems the US has a murder problem TeddyR May 2016 #15
Murder by gun problem angstlessk May 2016 #20
unknown, however gejohnston May 2016 #32
There are stories almost daily TeddyR May 2016 #46
Three times as many people are murdered each year with knives... benEzra May 2016 #59
How many of those states have a rate that... beevul May 2016 #21
Ahhh EdwardBernays May 2016 #42
Yes, assume actions on the part of people who don't even exist, and we'll get somewhere. beevul May 2016 #53
Well EdwardBernays May 2016 #54
I wasn't "saying" anything. I was ASKING... beevul May 2016 #55
I assume EdwardBernays May 2016 #56
So many misconceptions ... Straw Man May 2016 #57
Yes. You do. beevul May 2016 #58
I will give you credit for rubbing the surface, gejohnston May 2016 #31
"a bizarre obsession with guns" says more about you than it does anyone else. N/T beevul May 2016 #19
"Kinda so what?" How mediocre and unimaginative. We have big improvement, but... Eleanors38 May 2016 #50
Not when it's your child Iliyah May 2016 #27
The U.S. is much safer today than any point within the last fifty years. Kang Colby May 2016 #30
I'm still mad Iliyah May 2016 #33
Why? Kang Colby May 2016 #34
Respectfully, the causes of ALL crime and homicides should be studied more... Eleanors38 May 2016 #49
"would put our murder rate on par with Denmark or Australia" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #29
Some food for thought. I think it is interesting that when Americans are led to believe violence doc03 May 2016 #36
I don't think it is the same population gejohnston May 2016 #37
Well I guess I have to spell it out the firearms industry's biggest doc03 May 2016 #38
no they are not. gejohnston May 2016 #39
You can't tell me the NRA doesn't promote the violence is out of control doc03 May 2016 #44
I haven't seen any such claims gejohnston May 2016 #45
Except it isn't! scscholar May 2016 #51
Please tell me, especially with your handle, that this is sarcasm whatthehey May 2016 #52
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