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Sancho

(9,103 posts)
1. A perfect example why we need a license that makes sense....
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

A perfect example why we need a license that makes sense.... Sancho May 2016 #1
New York has most of that ... Straw Man May 2016 #4
how so? gejohnston May 2016 #6
"Larger" refers to weight. Zimmerman was, unquestionably, the "larger". Giggity May 2016 #10
No evidence to support the claim gejohnston May 2016 #12
Other than the phone call to the police? Giggity May 2016 #15
He ran when Zimmerman was still in the car gejohnston May 2016 #17
Zimmerman admitted to chasing Martin to the police dispatcher. Giggity May 2016 #18
The picture of the kid in the Hollister shirt wasn't Trayvon Martin? Captain Stern May 2016 #19
don't think so gejohnston May 2016 #23
Thanks for the info. I've learned a lot. Captain Stern May 2016 #26
According to Snopes.com this is the last known picture of Trayvon. ... spin May 2016 #39
Here is a photo from the 7-11 gejohnston May 2016 #41
The RKBA is not a second class right TupperHappy May 2016 #35
OK, as a touchstone, let's replace activities about guns with voting, or using free speech. Big_Mike May 2016 #38
"People Control, Not Gun Control" Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #40
He wants to license a constitutionally protected right. beevul May 2016 #43
T/F Straw Man May 2016 #2
I don't think Zimmerman should have as much as the right to freedom of movement. Giggity May 2016 #3
what failure of the system? gejohnston May 2016 #7
Zimmerman chased shot and killed an unarmed child. Giggity May 2016 #9
Not true gejohnston May 2016 #11
Completely true. Giggity May 2016 #13
Only one fact matters gejohnston May 2016 #14
Actually chasing, shooting and killing a child "matters". Giggity May 2016 #16
No, you didn't. You didn't see it in person at all. Captain Stern May 2016 #21
I saw the trial in person gejohnston May 2016 #22
Ok. But, that isn't what I asked you. Captain Stern May 2016 #24
he didn't gejohnston May 2016 #25
I agree with all of what you said. Captain Stern May 2016 #27
For God's sake he didn't chase a child. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #20
Yes. He did chase a child. He also shot and killed him. Giggity May 2016 #28
You can call him a tiny tot for all I care. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #29
I'll stick with the actual definitions of words, if you don't mind. Giggity May 2016 #30
I'm 5'2" if someone of Martin's size jumped me I would stop him. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #31
Then I recommend you don't chase after children walking home. Giggity May 2016 #32
I have a right to go where I want without the threat of being jumped, raped or robbed. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #33
You have a right to walk home without being chased by an armed assailant. Giggity May 2016 #34
Nobody chased anybody. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #36
The police call recording verifies that Zimm chased him. Giggity May 2016 #37
A wife beating man who seems to get into various other conflicts including being MillennialDem May 2016 #42
simple, gejohnston May 2016 #44
Three separate incidents - should have used "domestic violence" MillennialDem May 2016 #47
not exactly. gejohnston May 2016 #50
LOL... ffs MillennialDem May 2016 #51
hearsay, gejohnston May 2016 #52
Ok, so 4 separate women (1 in 2005 and 3 in 2013-2014) all accuse Zimmerman of domestic MillennialDem May 2016 #53
there wasn't one in 2005 gejohnston May 2016 #55
And recantations during domestic violence are not uncommon either - I know, my mother was a MillennialDem May 2016 #56
they weren't married in 2005 and there was not such a claim gejohnston May 2016 #57
His ex in 2005 alleged domestic violence. Poor poor Georgie, he must date some really MillennialDem May 2016 #58
I know guys like that gejohnston May 2016 #60
Yet, you still defend his as a great fella, because he's on team gun (note I'm not talking about MillennialDem May 2016 #61
not defending him as an individual at all gejohnston May 2016 #62
Courts never find people innocent, only not guilty MillennialDem May 2016 #63
how about sticking to the evidence? gejohnston May 2016 #64
So if I'm in a fist fight, if I scream for help I'm no longer a threat? Pretty hard to not be a MillennialDem May 2016 #65
if you start to back off, you are no longer a threat gejohnston May 2016 #66
post script gejohnston May 2016 #59
Rights. Straw Man May 2016 #45
Pretty much if you shove someone, and they hit you, then you blast them into oblivion, you're MillennialDem May 2016 #46
If that's what you think ... Straw Man May 2016 #48
You know it's true MillennialDem May 2016 #49
I know that it's not true. Straw Man May 2016 #54
Yes, electing DAs that will prosecute people with no evidence to get votes gejohnston May 2016 #5
one more question, gejohnston May 2016 #8
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