Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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48. If that's what you think ...

Mon May 23, 2016, 12:36 AM

May 2016

Pretty much if you shove someone, and they hit you, then you blast them into oblivion, you're

in the right because guns are holy objects in America.

... then you're living in a world of your own imagining. That is simply not true legally, morally, or culturally. I deal with gun owners on a daily basis, and I've never heard anything remotely like that.

I'm not talking about what the law says or doesn't say, I'm talking about how the law is applied (just like it's just as illegal for off duty cops to speed or drive drunk as any citizen but they are less likely to face consequences for either of those behaviors).

If that were true, then no one would ever be convicted of murdering someone with a firearm.

If you described a two person encounter to 100 people and it ended with one person pulling a gun to kill in self defense... and then described the exact same encounter to another 100 people but just changed "gun" to "knife" or even "fists"...

Well, the gunner is likely to get viewed more positively overall than the stabber or the puncher.

Where do you get this stuff? It's ludicrous and cartoonish: "He shoved me, so I punched him" vs. "He shoved me, so I shot him." And you're claiming that the latter would get more public approval in contemporary America?

I would suggest that you need to get out and talk to people more. Your perceptions are seriously skewed.

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George Zimmerman is a good example of bad problem [View all] SecularMotion May 2016 OP

A perfect example why we need a license that makes sense.... Sancho May 2016 #1

New York has most of that ... Straw Man May 2016 #4

how so? gejohnston May 2016 #6

"Larger" refers to weight. Zimmerman was, unquestionably, the "larger". Giggity May 2016 #10

No evidence to support the claim gejohnston May 2016 #12

Other than the phone call to the police? Giggity May 2016 #15

He ran when Zimmerman was still in the car gejohnston May 2016 #17

Zimmerman admitted to chasing Martin to the police dispatcher. Giggity May 2016 #18

The picture of the kid in the Hollister shirt wasn't Trayvon Martin? Captain Stern May 2016 #19

don't think so gejohnston May 2016 #23

Thanks for the info. I've learned a lot. Captain Stern May 2016 #26

According to Snopes.com this is the last known picture of Trayvon. ... spin May 2016 #39

Here is a photo from the 7-11 gejohnston May 2016 #41

The RKBA is not a second class right TupperHappy May 2016 #35

OK, as a touchstone, let's replace activities about guns with voting, or using free speech. Big_Mike May 2016 #38

"People Control, Not Gun Control" Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #40

He wants to license a constitutionally protected right. beevul May 2016 #43

T/F Straw Man May 2016 #2

I don't think Zimmerman should have as much as the right to freedom of movement. Giggity May 2016 #3

what failure of the system? gejohnston May 2016 #7

Zimmerman chased shot and killed an unarmed child. Giggity May 2016 #9

Not true gejohnston May 2016 #11

Completely true. Giggity May 2016 #13

Only one fact matters gejohnston May 2016 #14

Actually chasing, shooting and killing a child "matters". Giggity May 2016 #16

No, you didn't. You didn't see it in person at all. Captain Stern May 2016 #21

I saw the trial in person gejohnston May 2016 #22

Ok. But, that isn't what I asked you. Captain Stern May 2016 #24

he didn't gejohnston May 2016 #25

I agree with all of what you said. Captain Stern May 2016 #27

For God's sake he didn't chase a child. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #20

Yes. He did chase a child. He also shot and killed him. Giggity May 2016 #28

You can call him a tiny tot for all I care. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #29

I'll stick with the actual definitions of words, if you don't mind. Giggity May 2016 #30

I'm 5'2" if someone of Martin's size jumped me I would stop him. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #31

Then I recommend you don't chase after children walking home. Giggity May 2016 #32

I have a right to go where I want without the threat of being jumped, raped or robbed. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #33

You have a right to walk home without being chased by an armed assailant. Giggity May 2016 #34

Nobody chased anybody. Boudica the Lyoness May 2016 #36

The police call recording verifies that Zimm chased him. Giggity May 2016 #37

A wife beating man who seems to get into various other conflicts including being MillennialDem May 2016 #42

simple, gejohnston May 2016 #44

Three separate incidents - should have used "domestic violence" MillennialDem May 2016 #47

not exactly. gejohnston May 2016 #50

LOL... ffs MillennialDem May 2016 #51

hearsay, gejohnston May 2016 #52

Ok, so 4 separate women (1 in 2005 and 3 in 2013-2014) all accuse Zimmerman of domestic MillennialDem May 2016 #53

there wasn't one in 2005 gejohnston May 2016 #55

And recantations during domestic violence are not uncommon either - I know, my mother was a MillennialDem May 2016 #56

they weren't married in 2005 and there was not such a claim gejohnston May 2016 #57

His ex in 2005 alleged domestic violence. Poor poor Georgie, he must date some really MillennialDem May 2016 #58

I know guys like that gejohnston May 2016 #60

Yet, you still defend his as a great fella, because he's on team gun (note I'm not talking about MillennialDem May 2016 #61

not defending him as an individual at all gejohnston May 2016 #62

Courts never find people innocent, only not guilty MillennialDem May 2016 #63

how about sticking to the evidence? gejohnston May 2016 #64

So if I'm in a fist fight, if I scream for help I'm no longer a threat? Pretty hard to not be a MillennialDem May 2016 #65

if you start to back off, you are no longer a threat gejohnston May 2016 #66

post script gejohnston May 2016 #59

Rights. Straw Man May 2016 #45

Pretty much if you shove someone, and they hit you, then you blast them into oblivion, you're MillennialDem May 2016 #46

If that's what you think ... Straw Man May 2016 #48

You know it's true MillennialDem May 2016 #49

I know that it's not true. Straw Man May 2016 #54

Yes, electing DAs that will prosecute people with no evidence to get votes gejohnston May 2016 #5

one more question, gejohnston May 2016 #8