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beevul

(12,194 posts)
43. Thats not a standard...
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 29, 2016, 10:40 AM - Edit history (2)

no country in the world has gun crime like America.


Thats not a standard to judge whether or not Americans en masse are capable of safely owning guns. Statistics of misuse versus non- misuse are, which is why you want to use the rest of the world as a standard and ignore the statistics unchallenged.

Sorry. Not happening here.

It's obviously the exception.


America is the exception in many ways.

It doesn't matter if a lot of non-violent Americans have to suffer because of a few (relatively speaking) violent people.


Oh, it matters.

As a society America suffers greatly because of guns.


Such nonsense. Any suffering is because of individuals making bad choices, not because of the majority - roughly 100 million people - that don't make bad choices. Shared responsibility for the heinous criminal acts of individuals is and always has been a bullshit argument made nearly exclusively by people that hate guns.

And the only reasonable solution is a complete ban.


There is NOTHING reasonable about a complete ban. NOTHING.

Self-defence is not a legitimate use.


That's nice, but I was talking self-defense, and in America self defense is legitimate and moral, whether one uses a gun or a sword or a club or ones fists.

Ask Europeans who suffer from almost no gun crime if they'd trade thousands of people dead at the end of a gun per year for access to guns for self-defence.


Guess how much I give a fuck what Europeans think*.

The fact that Americans feel that it's a good trade off, thousands of kids shot dead a year, 300,000 dead at the end of a gun per decade in exchange for access to a weapon of death for self-defence, is a symptom of American's inability to properly control themselves with guns.


"Thousands" of kids shot dead every year? Puhleeze. The 99.9+percent of gun owners that do not misuse their firearms resulting in death, is elegant proof that the only people that can not control themselves with guns, is a tiny percent of a percent. You have no argument against that.

Ask Europeans who suffer from almost no gun crime if they'd trade thousands of people dead at the end of a gun per year for access to guns for self-defence.


See my comment above with the * near the end.

You can believe what you want, but I live in Europe now and my kids have LITERALLY never heard of a school shooting.


Bully for you. I prefer living here, thanks. My kids will never be subject to living under stupidity that leads to signs like these:





If you think I'd trade all of that so that I could have a gun to defend myself you'd be wildly wrong.


I don't really care what you would or wouldn't trade. Live your life over there as you see fit, and extend us here in America the same courtesy.

Your whole post reeks of anti-gun dogma and canned anti-gun talking points.
Can you imagine believing this? [View all] Kang Colby May 2016 OP
Which is why EdwardBernays May 2016 #1
And where in the original posting... theatre goon May 2016 #3
It's simple EdwardBernays May 2016 #4
Yes, very simple. theatre goon May 2016 #5
No EdwardBernays May 2016 #6
Logical...? theatre goon May 2016 #13
Logical? Straw Man May 2016 #34
The problem with that logic EdwardBernays May 2016 #35
C'mon now ... Straw Man May 2016 #38
people would get shot with bows and crossbows, gejohnston May 2016 #39
Where did you get the strange idea that a law would stop a crime? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #8
Check the OP EdwardBernays May 2016 #11
The fault lies in the assumptions discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #18
Your premise is flawed sarisataka May 2016 #9
No EdwardBernays May 2016 #10
it is called sarcasm, gejohnston May 2016 #40
No? EdwardBernays May 2016 #41
I'm more inclined to think that you wouldn't recognize it. gejohnston May 2016 #42
Absolutely. EdwardBernays May 2016 #48
not a problem beergood May 2016 #47
no it isn't gejohnston May 2016 #12
No EdwardBernays May 2016 #16
not all, gejohnston May 2016 #19
Not even close EdwardBernays May 2016 #36
that has been established in criminology for 130 years, at least. gejohnston May 2016 #37
I do agree that some gunowners are lawless criminals TeddyR May 2016 #15
And theres your problem in a nutshell. beevul May 2016 #17
No, most gun control laws are in a special class known as crap. Kang Colby May 2016 #20
Nonsense EdwardBernays May 2016 #24
Thats a ridiculous assertion. beevul May 2016 #26
it's obviously not. EdwardBernays May 2016 #29
no country has has gun crime like America? gejohnston May 2016 #31
Thats not a standard... beevul May 2016 #43
Whoa dude...is that Piers Morgan? n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #45
Ask Europeans who suffer from almost no gun crime... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #46
Here's the thing EdwardBernays May 2016 #52
Another ridiculous assertion. beevul May 2016 #57
The moment EdwardBernays May 2016 #59
hand grenades are not illegal gejohnston May 2016 #61
Right. beevul May 2016 #62
says who? gejohnston May 2016 #27
All emotion. No facts. Kang Colby May 2016 #49
If so few are capable of governing themselves how fewer still are capable of governing others? Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #53
??? EdwardBernays May 2016 #54
You're the one claiming people can't be trusted to govern themselves. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #55
You've misunderstood EdwardBernays May 2016 #56
Nobody has misunderstood. beevul May 2016 #58
No EdwardBernays May 2016 #60
Lets get something strait here... beevul May 2016 #63
I also see a daily report of police excesses. What's a unicorn to think now? Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #65
whats wrong with that? beergood May 2016 #64
One of the dumbest memes of all times. marble falls May 2016 #2
How about this one? sarisataka May 2016 #7
I used to think I should be allowed to own whatever I wanted so long as I kept it to myself ... marble falls May 2016 #21
just a few things gejohnston May 2016 #22
This is the last response - I realy do not belong here, but here it is: marble falls May 2016 #25
First, this is not a "protected group". beevul May 2016 #28
if we didn't have a gang problem, gejohnston May 2016 #30
"This is the last response - I really do not belong here......" pablo_marmol May 2016 #50
The errors and omissions discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #23
Before you start you'all-ing sarisataka May 2016 #32
Thanks for sharing. Kang Colby May 2016 #33
The whole point of control is to hammer on legal gun owners. ileus May 2016 #14
Yep. The worst thing about GunFree Zonesİ is the freaking advertisememt. Eleanors38 May 2016 #44
No, i can't. But many do. MariaThinks May 2016 #51
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