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In reply to the discussion: Can you imagine believing this? [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)43. Thats not a standard...
Last edited Sun May 29, 2016, 10:40 AM - Edit history (2)
no country in the world has gun crime like America.
Thats not a standard to judge whether or not Americans en masse are capable of safely owning guns. Statistics of misuse versus non- misuse are, which is why you want to use the rest of the world as a standard and ignore the statistics unchallenged.
Sorry. Not happening here.
It's obviously the exception.
America is the exception in many ways.
It doesn't matter if a lot of non-violent Americans have to suffer because of a few (relatively speaking) violent people.
Oh, it matters.
As a society America suffers greatly because of guns.
Such nonsense. Any suffering is because of individuals making bad choices, not because of the majority - roughly 100 million people - that don't make bad choices. Shared responsibility for the heinous criminal acts of individuals is and always has been a bullshit argument made nearly exclusively by people that hate guns.
And the only reasonable solution is a complete ban.
There is NOTHING reasonable about a complete ban. NOTHING.
Self-defence is not a legitimate use.
That's nice, but I was talking self-defense, and in America self defense is legitimate and moral, whether one uses a gun or a sword or a club or ones fists.
Ask Europeans who suffer from almost no gun crime if they'd trade thousands of people dead at the end of a gun per year for access to guns for self-defence.
Guess how much I give a fuck what Europeans think*.
The fact that Americans feel that it's a good trade off, thousands of kids shot dead a year, 300,000 dead at the end of a gun per decade in exchange for access to a weapon of death for self-defence, is a symptom of American's inability to properly control themselves with guns.
"Thousands" of kids shot dead every year? Puhleeze. The 99.9+percent of gun owners that do not misuse their firearms resulting in death, is elegant proof that the only people that can not control themselves with guns, is a tiny percent of a percent. You have no argument against that.
Ask Europeans who suffer from almost no gun crime if they'd trade thousands of people dead at the end of a gun per year for access to guns for self-defence.
See my comment above with the * near the end.
You can believe what you want, but I live in Europe now and my kids have LITERALLY never heard of a school shooting.
Bully for you. I prefer living here, thanks. My kids will never be subject to living under stupidity that leads to signs like these:
If you think I'd trade all of that so that I could have a gun to defend myself you'd be wildly wrong.
I don't really care what you would or wouldn't trade. Live your life over there as you see fit, and extend us here in America the same courtesy.
Your whole post reeks of anti-gun dogma and canned anti-gun talking points.
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If so few are capable of governing themselves how fewer still are capable of governing others?
Nuclear Unicorn
May 2016
#53
I also see a daily report of police excesses. What's a unicorn to think now?
Nuclear Unicorn
May 2016
#65
I used to think I should be allowed to own whatever I wanted so long as I kept it to myself ...
marble falls
May 2016
#21