Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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48. cum hoc ergo propter hoc

Reply to EdwardBernays (Reply #45)

Sun May 29, 2016, 07:47 PM

May 2016

And there's plenty of empirical evidence that gun free zones don't kill people as much as a preponderance of guns.

Peer reviewed criminal science says otherwise.

Europe as a whole is basically a gun free zone and guess what...very little gun violence.

Actually it isn't, and the murder rates were about the same when there was no gun control laws. Our culture, economics, demographics, the nature of our crime problems, other social issues make comparing us to Europe more absurd than what you think Latin America is.

The same goes for Japan.

Japan has something we don't. You think comparing us to Latin America is absurd, but you use Japan? Comparing a racially and ethnically diverse, individualistic, free country with a federal system with a collectivist, racist, no respect for individual rights, and not exactly diverse country with a unitary system like Japan?

it seems that gun prohibitionists cling to the same logical fallacies and unlike comparison.

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I'm okay with violent felons owning guns after they serve their sentence... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP

Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #1

Are you saying that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #2

Well EdwardBernays May 2016 #3

We don't have a Scandinavian system discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #6

You're right EdwardBernays May 2016 #7

how do you know the "results" gejohnston May 2016 #9

Check it out for yourself EdwardBernays May 2016 #12

the question was about gejohnston May 2016 #16

Like I said EdwardBernays May 2016 #17

perhaps gejohnston May 2016 #18

not true EdwardBernays May 2016 #19

Yes I have checked gejohnston May 2016 #20

"...we don't have the resources to lock up every murder and rapist and violent criminal forever." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #15

More EdwardBernays May 2016 #22

I infer you're against the idea discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #24

the idea... EdwardBernays May 2016 #26

"Crime is a symptom..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #27

No worries EdwardBernays May 2016 #28

Some replies discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #33

cool EdwardBernays May 2016 #35

replies discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #51

I'm missing the connection on some of these gejohnston May 2016 #38

ok EdwardBernays May 2016 #40

Latin America is mostly middle income, gejohnston May 2016 #42

Ok 4 EdwardBernays May 2016 #47

still making an argument based on emotion and gejohnston May 2016 #50

part two gejohnston May 2016 #39

ok 2 EdwardBernays May 2016 #41

community policing isn't riding around in cars, gejohnston May 2016 #43

Ok 3 EdwardBernays May 2016 #45

cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #48

post script gejohnston May 2016 #44

As I said before EdwardBernays May 2016 #46

the only people who would obey that, gejohnston May 2016 #49

I haven't heard from you on post #15 discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #21

I just replied EdwardBernays May 2016 #23

me too, thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #25

cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #8

Yes EdwardBernays May 2016 #10

I was hoping to see something more scholarly that The Atlantic gejohnston May 2016 #14

And yet... beevul May 2016 #13

Welcome to the Gungeon SecularMotion May 2016 #4

Even for the Gungeon EdwardBernays May 2016 #5

Heh. Most controllers sound more RW than folks here. But enjoy your myth. Eleanors38 May 2016 #29

Depends EdwardBernays May 2016 #31

I do not consider robust support of the Second right-wing. Nor did JFK, an NRA member. Eleanors38 May 2016 #36

wellll EdwardBernays May 2016 #37

It wasn't a pro-gun poster who said this... beevul May 2016 #30

Another gun control poster sarisataka May 2016 #32

And they say gun rights supporters on DU are supposed to be the violent ones... beevul May 2016 #34

I read an article recently TeddyR May 2016 #11