Gun Control & RKBA

cheapdate

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118. What? Those are not the "only limits" on free speech.

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:13 PM

Jun 2016

Public speech that is loud, crude, or offensive can get you arrested. You are subject to arrest if protesting near a public official under secret service protection. Protesting near abortion clinics can get you arrested. Students at secondary and post-secondary public schools are subject to a host of free speech issues -- as are their teachers and professors. Whistle-blower protections exist on paper but not always in practice. "National security" and "counter terrorism" activities have created a multitude of free speech issues. You think you have complete freedom of artistic expression? Try painting a mural of a nude woman on the side of your house.

Even inside the realm of those issues you raised -- false accusations and inciting violence -- questions over the proper limits arise all the time.

The ACLU is continually defending free speech on multiple fronts for a reason, because free speech is continually under threat on multiple fronts.

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Honest question. If gun rights supporters are idiots... [View all] Kang Colby May 2016 OP

If you honestly aren't cognizant of "any form of serious debate or discussion" cheapdate May 2016 #1

Very rarely..gun control supporters usually just result to name calling. That's my take on it. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #2

Then I would suggest you're looking in the wrong places for serious discussion. cheapdate May 2016 #3

Any leads? Thanks...n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #4

Sure, we can start right here. cheapdate May 2016 #13

The 19th century decisions were based on gejohnston May 2016 #18

Again, I barely give a crap about it. cheapdate Jun 2016 #23

background checks have been federal law since the 1990s gejohnston Jun 2016 #24

Hey, for what it's worth, my thin-skinned, smarmy, insulting, "friend", cheapdate Jun 2016 #42

not so much thin skinned, as it is little patience gejohnston Jun 2016 #78

Thank you for that. cheapdate Jun 2016 #83

which begs the question, gejohnston Jun 2016 #84

None of this much affects the actual cheapdate Jun 2016 #91

"Free speech has limits, but what limits?" beergood Jun 2016 #114

What? Those are not the "only limits" on free speech. cheapdate Jun 2016 #118

"The ACLU is continually defending free speech beergood Jun 2016 #122

You said: cheapdate Jun 2016 #125

you think the aclu beergood Jun 2016 #138

The problem with the militia interpretation... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #25

Your group is responsible for so much violence... scscholar Jun 2016 #127

My group isn't responsible for a single murder or accident. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #128

*Criminals* are responsible for the VAST amount of gun violence....... pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #141

What do you think Duckhunter935 May 2016 #11

I don't think much of it. Life's tough. Get a helmet. cheapdate May 2016 #14

No one can answer that question. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #26

^^Let the record underline this "courageous" dodge. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #60

It's not a dodge. cheapdate Jun 2016 #64

You dodged the second part of the question. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #65

??? cheapdate Jun 2016 #67

I second Kang Colby's remark tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #99

"( I guess no more target shooting out in the desert - NUTS!)" beergood Jun 2016 #115

No tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #196

Do you consider sarisataka Jun 2016 #62

You won't get it here Press Virginia May 2016 #5

"Gun humpers" Kang Colby May 2016 #6

One of my favorites! Press Virginia May 2016 #7

Let's Go Mountaineers! ileus Jun 2016 #29

Yes! Finally someone recognizes the reference! Press Virginia Jun 2016 #38

My first 36 years were in WV. ileus Jun 2016 #44

Go Hokies! Kang Colby Jun 2016 #124

I miss the Big East...if only the ACC hadn't destroyed it. ileus Jun 2016 #152

And of course ammosexual Duckhunter935 May 2016 #12

So many of their insults are sexually-based... theatre goon Jun 2016 #35

I'll be your Huckleberry. Eko May 2016 #8

you can have one, gejohnston May 2016 #9

Well, you cant just have one. Eko May 2016 #10

not an FFL, gejohnston May 2016 #15

From what I can tell Eko May 2016 #17

yes and no. gejohnston May 2016 #19

Either way Eko May 2016 #20

I didn't disagree with your original point gejohnston May 2016 #21

I agree, no you didnt. Eko May 2016 #22

The most common problem is the lack of knowledge on their part. ManiacJoe May 2016 #16

An excellent point. theatre goon Jun 2016 #36

And if gun rights supporters are such geniuses My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #27

Interesting, when we call for better health care Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #28

And what if doctors recommended My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #32

As long as there is a process and there is a Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33

Gun lobbyists work against improvements in healthcare My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #34

It would be bad public health policy... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #37

What public health policy? My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #39

There is no ban. beevul Jun 2016 #41

So no gun lobby is standing in the way of CDC research? My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #43

The CDC did a study ordered Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #48

One study of one city My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #52

I'm all for free scientific inquiry gejohnston Jun 2016 #69

Wrong study. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #77

There is no ban on research Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Press Virginia Jun 2016 #40

The Katies of the ban side base their arguments on lies and misinformation ileus Jun 2016 #30

Gun owners are selfish. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #31

re: "...keeping a gun in your house is either..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #45

If your gun is only used ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #71

~~~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #72

No. I've been on this soapbox forever ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #85

That's comforting to know. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #104

Brother, I'm the Elmer Gantry of gun control. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #154

I'm sure you are discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #155

It must be the argument that small arms have been obsolete since WWI... Marengo Jun 2016 #156

Well, now that assailants never leave... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #157

LOL....I gotta give that post some points for being funny and creative. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #192

You're far from the first self-appointed "new DU champion of gun control" we've seen friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #111

"You will find them to be interesting reading, I'm sure." pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #119

ill bite beergood Jun 2016 #82

I'm sure they keep them safely locked and unloaded. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #87

"I'm sure they keep them safely locked and unloaded." beergood Jun 2016 #117

Tortured logic. Straw Man Jun 2016 #50

Please feel free to ignore my advice. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #73

"At least I'm looking out for your family's safety..." You merely *claim* that you are looking... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #80

So, exercising my First Amendment Right is ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #86

Your moral-panic mongering differs from theirs only in subject friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #95

Awesome. So Jesus couldn't condemn the money-changers, and ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #100

Oh, I will. And ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #98

LOL! Unless you're a vegan Luddite, so are you. Marengo Jun 2016 #53

I agree. I am. We need to move away from meat as soon as ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #89

Oh no, not far enough. Laboratory produced meat is still meat... Marengo Jun 2016 #96

Carbon footprint is super ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #106

No more extreme than your position on firearms... Marengo Jun 2016 #107

No, whats selfish is blaming the instrument... beevul Jun 2016 #108

I am selfish, a bit. I found there are numerous uses for various guns. jmg257 Jun 2016 #56

A little introspection goes a long way. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #88

Thanks for sharing your opinion - you don't like guns - we get it. I hope however, jonno99 Jun 2016 #61

Guns became useless in war ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #74

Infantry has been outdated since 1916? braddy Jun 2016 #76

Yes. The only reason we have infantry now is because ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #92

You really need to study up more on warfare and military history. braddy Jun 2016 #93

How many tanks, aircraft, guided missiles, and drones do the Taliban and ISIS/Daesh have? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #81

They aren't in America. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #90

Guerilla warfare is guerilla warfare friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #94

Your position is that small arms are useless in all conflicts, globally? Marengo Jun 2016 #97

A first-world army that hasn't yet defeated the Taliban, after +/- 15 years of trying... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #109

Yes. Castro fought his revolution with T-34s & MiGs. Couple of cruisers, too. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #176

What if you have 35+ guns that have made it through 3 generations ileus Jun 2016 #70

You've been lucky so far. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #75

"If the gun is locked up in a safe and unloaded it's useless." Strawman. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #120

I disagree with your post in its entirety. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #126

Actually we do. Gun rights supporters that hang out in forums and groups like this one flamin lib Jun 2016 #46

Who uses the terms ammosexual Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #49

"Too bad you think a firearms owner correcting misinformation........." pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #58

Would calling others "glib sociopaths" be "belittling an besmirching"?N/T beevul Jun 2016 #102

Lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #105

As a gun owner yourself, you are ok with arguing for restrictive legislation... Marengo Jun 2016 #51

Bring something constructive to the conversation or just go away flamin lib Jun 2016 #54

I'll take that as a yes then. Anything goes so long as the goal is achieved... Marengo Jun 2016 #55

Stop trying to hijack this thread. The OP asked why we don't have productive discussions. flamin lib Jun 2016 #63

I'm commenting on something YOU wrote. Why won't you answer the question? Marengo Jun 2016 #66

Because IT IS OFF TOPIC. Typical attempt to launch a red herring and ignore the topic at hand. flamin lib Jun 2016 #68

Unless your commentary was off topic, it's spot on and you know it. Why are you so evasive? Marengo Jun 2016 #79

I will answer one more time that the OP asked 'why isn't there productive discussion flamin lib Jun 2016 #110

In other words, you cannot answer honestly as that would fatally weaken... Marengo Jun 2016 #112

No, I refuse to engage you in a personal argument over a red herring. We can keep this going or you flamin lib Jun 2016 #113

Right, just as I said earlier, it's obvious you refuse because you can't without damaging... Marengo Jun 2016 #116

Oh, too much work to start a thread? Exhausted from typing so much trying to flamin lib Jun 2016 #137

You wouldn't be pushing back so hard unless you have realized your integrity is threatened... Marengo Jun 2016 #142

Sigh. This is a red herring. If you'd like to add something to the question posed in the OP flamin lib Jun 2016 #146

i think we've already well enough established your disingenuous nature... Marengo Jun 2016 #149

Oh, and since you have so much time on your hands... Marengo Jun 2016 #150

No. You refuse to answer because it would fatally weaken your argument. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #121

You have no part in this conversation. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #135

Says you. And I dismiss your viewpoint. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #136

Are you the arbiter of who may and may not post a reply in this thread, and to what? Marengo Jun 2016 #143

And what game is that? Pointing out logical fallacies? Not taking bait? Or is it poor form to ask flamin lib Jun 2016 #145

Attributing logical fallacies where they don't exist in order to camouflage... Marengo Jun 2016 #147

Where none exist? flamin lib Jun 2016 #158

Oh, there is no question, you simply don't have any... Marengo Jun 2016 #159

Yes, attempting to take a conversation in an entirely different direction is, by definition, flamin lib Jun 2016 #160

You must not be capable of fully comprehending what you wrote... Marengo Jun 2016 #162

It isn't my comprehension that's a problem here. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #164

Why are you so apparently fearful in answering a simple question? Marengo Jun 2016 #161

I'm not fearful, just insistent that you stop attempting to hijack a thread so flamin lib Jun 2016 #163

The argument is clear. You either cannot comprehend it, or cannot respond without... Marengo Jun 2016 #166

I have made no premise, only steadfastly refused to engage your red herring. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #169

The strength of you argument should easily be able to banish that red herring... Marengo Jun 2016 #172

Would you be so generous to explain with your ample time... Marengo Jun 2016 #168

46 was a reply to the OP and contained quotes from gungeoneers to explain flamin lib Jun 2016 #170

Those are quotes from posts here on DU? Why haven't you provided links or cites... Marengo Jun 2016 #171

Because it would be like providing links to explain why the sky is blue. Everybody else in the flamin lib Jun 2016 #174

So, they are NOT actual quotes as you have claimed? Marengo Jun 2016 #175

Yes, they are very close paraphrases. flamin lib Jun 2016 #177

Bullshit, a paraphrase is NOT a quote... Marengo Jun 2016 #178

You most certainly did, with your fake quotes... Marengo Jun 2016 #179

Good start to posting for Imaginary Me. flamin lib Jun 2016 #180

Where are the links to those quotes, real disingenuous you... Marengo Jun 2016 #182

Oh, good move! Demand links from Imaginary Me! flamin lib Jun 2016 #184

Did someone else hack your account, write post #170, and apparently lie? Marengo Jun 2016 #186

Not up to your other posts but still not bad, finding a way call me a liar without flamin lib Jun 2016 #188

As it wasn't imaginary fingers that typed that post, it would appear that you are either... Marengo Jun 2016 #189

Well, two out of three isn't too bad. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #190

Still no links to those "quotes" which form the basis of your argument? Marengo Jun 2016 #193

WTF, your red herring was a take off on the theme. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #195

Waiting for the links or cites for those quotes... Marengo Jun 2016 #173

Your interlocutor is just playing games. beevul Jun 2016 #181

True, I assumed as much, but am somewhat surprised he made the blunder... Marengo Jun 2016 #183

Just sayin... beevul Jun 2016 #185

Absolutely true, as is clear in this thread. Marengo Jun 2016 #187

Also, keep in mind what that poster is defending. beevul Jun 2016 #194

It's been a few days now, still no links to the alleged quotes? Marengo Jun 2016 #197

Another way of calling me a liar is to to demand I provide links to established gungeon flamin lib Jun 2016 #198

I won't call you a liar. However, your claims as to what's been said remain faith-promoting rumor friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #199

I'm still waiting for links to those quotes, or your acknowledgement... Marengo Jun 2016 #200

What sort of authority do you have to control who may respond to what... Marengo Jun 2016 #151

This isn't private messaging. Straw Man Jun 2016 #148

There can be no "productive discussions", when you refuse to answer questions asked of you. beevul Jun 2016 #103

Wow Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #57

Excellent example sarisataka Jun 2016 #59

"Fringe"? beevul Jun 2016 #101

Thank you, flamin lib. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #123

There is the whole "gun culture" aspect. jmg257 Jun 2016 #167

I think you've missed the point, KC. Gun rights supporters are scum! pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #129

haha..thanks for pointing that out, Pablo. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #130

Anytime, brother. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #131

I'm willing Matrosov Jun 2016 #132

That's false. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #133

Not really Matrosov Jun 2016 #134

sorry beergood Jun 2016 #140

I wouldn't call you a communist, it's not a pejorative in my mind having thought myself one in my... Marengo Jun 2016 #144

For someone who shoots often... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #153

"The problem is, many RKBA supporters can't argue beyond:" pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #139

Hey Kang, want to see why we can't have cogent discussion? flamin lib Jun 2016 #165

I'm OK flamin. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #191