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In reply to the discussion: Gun Violence Is a Full-Blown National Crisis [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)84. in Europe,
gang war usually means machine guns.
The Australian had 516 gun deaths the year it banned guns. Last year it had 230. Imagine saving more than 15,000 people a year in America. But I know I know... elderly people attacked by footballers means thousands of kids have to die.
Not true either. Technically, Australia doesn't have any federal gun laws. Before the National Firearms Agreement, every state had some type of licensing and some had registration. The Howard government blackmailed the states to go along with what he wanted, which included banning most semi automatic and and pump action long guns. Guns are not entirely banned. In fact, there are more legal privately owned now than then. The Australian Federal Police has no clue how many illegal guns there are. We do know that one out of ten confiscated are basement made machine guns.
If you look at your graph, the largest drop was before the NFA went in effect. Unless you believe in retrocausality........... Also, while the gun suicide rate did drop, there is no evidence the NFA had anything to do with it. However, the suicide rate did not drop.
Out of the 15 peer reviewed studies on the effects the NFA had on Australia's murder and suicide rate, none of them say one had anything to do with another.
Yet Germany, Switerland, and Austria are high gun ownership rate countries. France is medium like New Zealand. Out of the countries you list, Austria has the laxest gun laws. In fact, their gun laws are laxer than Maryland, New Jersey, and New York.
No, we are not more violent. We just have more gangs. UK is actually more violent, and you are still comparing the US with countries that have less in common with us than South America.
You really are bad at this.
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It is in some neighborhoods. 68 people were shot Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone
lostnfound
Jun 2016
#4
Any attempt at "confiscating them all and locking them up" would kill more people...
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2016
#31
Yep, I like my gunz and I will be keeping them for many years. And then when I'm gone my
Waldorf
Jun 2016
#89
This is nothing more than an argumentum ad populum, with a dash of cultural cringe
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#96
Mainstream where your are (or not), it's *still* argumentum ad popularum
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#107
Dozens of people in one region is not the world, so don't try to pass it off as that...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#98
After Sandy Hook Republicans passed laws that make it easier to have more guns around
Botany
Jun 2016
#6
Inner city Milwaukee keeps electing pro-gun Sheriff who asks constituents to buy guns
HereSince1628
Jun 2016
#8
Crimes done with firearms, as well as all violent crime is at the lowest it's been in decades.
Ikonoklast
Jun 2016
#9
Is that what it's really about? Deaths? Or is it just guns you don't like?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2016
#19
The NYT got those numbers from a subreddit called "Guns Are Cool". They are not actual statistics.
Ikonoklast
Jun 2016
#20
I believe the N Hollywood thugs killed no one. But THEY got dead via rifles... from a gun shop.
Eleanors38
Jun 2016
#67
Interesting perspective, plus there would be the advantage that no controller...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#110
I wish they would take seriously my theory of the turn-around heat-seeking missile...
Eleanors38
Jun 2016
#74
If I said that LYING about our "epidemic of violence" was a full-blown national crisis......
pablo_marmol
Jun 2016
#113