Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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16. Let's get this straight

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:07 PM

Jun 2016

Rights don't change. Rights are basic innate characteristics of people. Laws respect and protect rights, or not.

About Jefferson: It would be hard for me to believe that the right to use a tool for self-defense (preserving life being first in that group of three) would be considered a mere liberty. I see self-defense as an aspect of the right to life.

If you disagree with how I view rights as being attributes of the individual rather than conferred by legal recognition, I'm not sure we can discuss very much.

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Questions on gun-control/rights [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 OP

... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #1

I mostly agree discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #12

Basically EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #2

In the process sarisataka Jun 2016 #3

So EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #4

I never mentioned the 18th sarisataka Jun 2016 #6

Agreed EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #7

IMO a program sarisataka Jun 2016 #8

We know that's not the case EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #9

So rather than sarisataka Jun 2016 #10

let's be clear EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #11

You say you want to do both sarisataka Jun 2016 #22

Yes and no EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #23

You are not open to everything sarisataka Jun 2016 #29

Nonsense EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #30

Why do you try and sarisataka Jun 2016 #31

Wait wait EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #32

I do not advocate sarisataka Jun 2016 #34

Lol EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #35

Glad to bring sarisataka Jun 2016 #37

Europe has much more democracy gejohnston Jun 2016 #15

No EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #17

nonsense gejohnston Jun 2016 #18

The state's role EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #19

some of the high schools gejohnston Jun 2016 #20

The states role is not to infringe. beevul Jun 2016 #40

Like I keep saying EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #43

And you keep being wrong. beevul Jun 2016 #51

define "highly trained" gejohnston Jun 2016 #5

In reply discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #13

ok EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #14

Let's get this straight discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #16

No EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #25

Laws regarding rights have changed discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #38

Rights EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #39

You do not understand the fundamentals of American society. beevul Jun 2016 #44

No EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #45

No. Its YOU who are confused. beevul Jun 2016 #46

let me ask you this EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #47

Let me answer you this... beevul Jun 2016 #48

gun nuts ARE the problem EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #49

In your warped view. beevul Jun 2016 #50

On your statement about Jefferson: I think you've been somewhat misled about him. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2016 #36

Let me ask you a question... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #21

I have no real thoughts EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #24

Federally recognized tribes... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #26

again EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #27

And there lies the problem... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #55

"government interference" = CONTROL discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #58

Knowing what has been done then, would you advocate complete confiscation... Marengo Jun 2016 #28

What about when society decides that the best plan safety plan is to keep the 2A as is? ileus Jun 2016 #41

Sure EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #42

Bravo. beardown Jun 2016 #33

51 replies...I can see all of one. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #52

Camp Weathervane... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #53

Hillary backers. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #54

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #57

^^ I've made the same observation. Interesting. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #56