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flamin lib

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49. There are several issues with Klecks methods.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jun 2016

1. He randomly surveyed 5000 phone numbers. The best information we have is that only 34% of households have guns, so 66% of his sample is flawed.

2. He had no way of verifying the data gathered; no police reports, no secondary witnesses, nothing. He just took their word for it.

3. He asked a question that guaranteed a very high false positive rate of response. People who own guns have a vested interest in defending that ownership, so when asked 'did you use your gun for self defense in the last 12 months' a lot of people said yes whether they did or not. A very high false negative response can be had by asking 'have you watched internet porn in the last year'. Anecdotal evidence for this high false positive came when the study was repeated but for only verified gun owners, one respondent reported using his/her gun 50 times in the last year.

4. He failed to correct for 'telescoping'. Did the respondents actually have a DGU in the last 12 months or was it 15 months?

5. He took the results of his flawed sample and extrapolated it to all households even though 66% did not have guns and therefore could not possibly have had a DGU.

The man does not know how to research and doesn't care to do quality work.

The CDC had one reference to his 2 million DGUs/year and gunners lap it up while at the same time denigrating every other study they've done.

Then you have Lott who admits to simply making up numbers and using false identity to applaud his own work. Yeah, like I'm going to respect these guy's work.

Recommended. My addition would be the words guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
Yes, people will reject you if you attribute to them things they have not said and do not believe. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #14
Universes... beevul Jun 2016 #2
"separate universes with separate rules of logic..." jmg257 Jun 2016 #3
We can dismiss your argument... theatre goon Jun 2016 #4
That's not a derogatory remark, simply saying that people who hang out in flamin lib Jun 2016 #5
Sure, keep moving those goalposts. theatre goon Jun 2016 #6
And then there are some people . . . nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #7
What if you hang out in discussion groups TeddyR Jun 2016 #10
who is also a crappy musician gejohnston Jun 2016 #13
You called me fringe Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12
Noting the same "like this one." I do seem pretty leftist, now that you bring it up. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #20
The NRA membership may be only 3% of gun owners, benEzra Jun 2016 #52
Yes, I saw that Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #11
Some of them do seem to believe... theatre goon Jun 2016 #15
What you're describing... beevul Jun 2016 #17
Wonder how much of that Skinner will tolerate with his renewed rules of civility? DonP Jun 2016 #18
Uh huh. beevul Jun 2016 #19
Add ammosexuals to the list Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27
Do you think that juries sarisataka Jun 2016 #28
It would be surprising Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #29
An appeals process means those ignoring the rules will be recognized... beevul Jun 2016 #30
I hope so Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #31
I also note this singling out of the NRA in the context of pre-banned RW sources... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #22
Reminds me of an incident in H.S. I was a big civil rights supporter, a redneck friend wasn't... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #21
That reminds me of "bailing out" my daughter in High School DonP Jun 2016 #24
Heh-heh. Those were the good ol' days. (Afraid it sounds like an old tale, too.) Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25
She's 40 now and teaches English Lit at Chicago's top High School DonP Jun 2016 #26
He best legends are family legends. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #34
Bansalot Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #23
The OP is a rather weak dancer IMO. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #36
Bear in mind this is originating from a universe where words have... Marengo Jun 2016 #39
K&R - great post! Kang Colby Jun 2016 #8
Wonder why the OP never responded to your question about the book he was reading. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #32
Reminds me of of another poster Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33
Guess we got our answer re. why we can't have cogent discussions, eh? pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #35
I would use a stronger term Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #37
I can't imagine the answer to be so awkward or revealing as to trigger... Marengo Jun 2016 #40
I could kick at your analogies a bit, but that'd be nitpicking. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2016 #9
Oh, look. It's another "It's hard to have a civil discussion because you 'people' suck" thread. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #16
What is the name of the book? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #38
I would also like to know the title of this book... Marengo Jun 2016 #41
Seems like "Suing the Gun industry" by Timothy D. Lytton jmg257 Jun 2016 #42
Sorry to be so late but that's the book. flamin lib Jun 2016 #43
Thanks for the heads up - and about the "sleep inducing". Cheers! nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #44
Must say.....not surprised that you'd be drawn to a book with that title. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #45
Kleck couldn't research his way out of a paper bag with a road map and a razor blade.nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #46
Would you say that... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #47
There are several issues with Klecks methods. flamin lib Jun 2016 #49
just a few things gejohnston Jun 2016 #51
Sorry, GE, but you are positively, absolutely WRONG on every point. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #54
Asserted without evidence -- dismissed without evidence. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #57
You talking to me or to GE? flamin lib Jun 2016 #59
"Either way you bring NOTHING to the conversation. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #61
Mr. Johnston did a good job on slapping your nonsense down.....but more points: pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #55
Yeah and suppressors will save your hearing. Naaa, they just make your gun longer flamin lib Jun 2016 #60
That nonsense again? Straw Man Jun 2016 #62
After all the complaining about a lack of cogent discussion... Marengo Jun 2016 #64
From that right-wing CDC: (Ooooooops!) pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #56
But the CDC is banned from doing research regarding guns! theatre goon Jun 2016 #63
No........you don't need the sarcasm tag. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #65
LOL - even though pro-control academics have reached the same conclusions re. DGU's. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #48
See #47. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #50
I still have yet to see many on the gun control side acknowledge the rarity of rifle misuse, benEzra Jun 2016 #53
Part of the reason is faith-promoting rumor like the following-note who the author is: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #58
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