Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

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53. I still have yet to see many on the gun control side acknowledge the rarity of rifle misuse,

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:38 AM

Jun 2016

or the fact that rifle handgrip shape is irrelevant to said misuse, or the now-overwhelming dominance of modern-looking rifles in sporting shooting and responsible ownership, or the irrelevance of magazine capacities over 10 rounds to both offensive criminal misuse and to mass murder in detachable-magazine guns. Trying to address gun misuse by banning rifle handgrips or magazines that stick out is like trying to address Zika by spraying for spiders.

Some gun-control advocates have indeed acknowledged the irrationality of those approaches (the former head of Americans for Gun Safety comes to mind), but very few. That fundamentalist devotion to early-90s gun control shibboleths is certainly an impediment to rational debate, IMO, but Bloomberg vehemently wants rifle/mag bans, and since he almost single-handedly funds the gun control lobby, his preferences frame the debate.

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A recent thread sort of asked why we can't have cogent discussions about guns. [View all] flamin lib Jun 2016 OP

Recommended. My addition would be the words guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1

Yes, people will reject you if you attribute to them things they have not said and do not believe. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #14

Universes... beevul Jun 2016 #2

"separate universes with separate rules of logic..." jmg257 Jun 2016 #3

We can dismiss your argument... theatre goon Jun 2016 #4

That's not a derogatory remark, simply saying that people who hang out in flamin lib Jun 2016 #5

Sure, keep moving those goalposts. theatre goon Jun 2016 #6

And then there are some people . . . nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #7

What if you hang out in discussion groups TeddyR Jun 2016 #10

who is also a crappy musician gejohnston Jun 2016 #13

You called me fringe Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12

Noting the same "like this one." I do seem pretty leftist, now that you bring it up. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #20

The NRA membership may be only 3% of gun owners, benEzra Jun 2016 #52

Yes, I saw that Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #11

Some of them do seem to believe... theatre goon Jun 2016 #15

What you're describing... beevul Jun 2016 #17

Wonder how much of that Skinner will tolerate with his renewed rules of civility? DonP Jun 2016 #18

Uh huh. beevul Jun 2016 #19

Add ammosexuals to the list Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27

Do you think that juries sarisataka Jun 2016 #28

It would be surprising Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #29

An appeals process means those ignoring the rules will be recognized... beevul Jun 2016 #30

I hope so Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #31

I also note this singling out of the NRA in the context of pre-banned RW sources... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #22

Reminds me of an incident in H.S. I was a big civil rights supporter, a redneck friend wasn't... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #21

That reminds me of "bailing out" my daughter in High School DonP Jun 2016 #24

Heh-heh. Those were the good ol' days. (Afraid it sounds like an old tale, too.) Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25

She's 40 now and teaches English Lit at Chicago's top High School DonP Jun 2016 #26

He best legends are family legends. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #34

Bansalot Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #23

The OP is a rather weak dancer IMO. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #36

Bear in mind this is originating from a universe where words have... Marengo Jun 2016 #39

K&R - great post! Kang Colby Jun 2016 #8

Wonder why the OP never responded to your question about the book he was reading. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #32

Reminds me of of another poster Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33

Guess we got our answer re. why we can't have cogent discussions, eh? pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #35

I would use a stronger term Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #37

I can't imagine the answer to be so awkward or revealing as to trigger... Marengo Jun 2016 #40

I could kick at your analogies a bit, but that'd be nitpicking. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2016 #9

Oh, look. It's another "It's hard to have a civil discussion because you 'people' suck" thread. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #16

What is the name of the book? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #38

I would also like to know the title of this book... Marengo Jun 2016 #41

Seems like "Suing the Gun industry" by Timothy D. Lytton jmg257 Jun 2016 #42

Sorry to be so late but that's the book. flamin lib Jun 2016 #43

Thanks for the heads up - and about the "sleep inducing". Cheers! nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #44

Must say.....not surprised that you'd be drawn to a book with that title. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #45

Kleck couldn't research his way out of a paper bag with a road map and a razor blade.nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #46

Would you say that... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #47

There are several issues with Klecks methods. flamin lib Jun 2016 #49

just a few things gejohnston Jun 2016 #51

Sorry, GE, but you are positively, absolutely WRONG on every point. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #54

Asserted without evidence -- dismissed without evidence. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #57

You talking to me or to GE? flamin lib Jun 2016 #59

"Either way you bring NOTHING to the conversation. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #61

Mr. Johnston did a good job on slapping your nonsense down.....but more points: pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #55

Yeah and suppressors will save your hearing. Naaa, they just make your gun longer flamin lib Jun 2016 #60

That nonsense again? Straw Man Jun 2016 #62

After all the complaining about a lack of cogent discussion... Marengo Jun 2016 #64

From that right-wing CDC: (Ooooooops!) pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #56

But the CDC is banned from doing research regarding guns! theatre goon Jun 2016 #63

No........you don't need the sarcasm tag. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #65

LOL - even though pro-control academics have reached the same conclusions re. DGU's. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #48

See #47. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #50

I still have yet to see many on the gun control side acknowledge the rarity of rifle misuse, benEzra Jun 2016 #53

Part of the reason is faith-promoting rumor like the following-note who the author is: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #58