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In reply to the discussion: Misinformation, rumors and just plain nonsense mistakes [View all]jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)23. Misinformation, rumors and just plain nonsense mistakes (the OP)
We have to make it harder for people who want to kill Americans to get their hands on weapons of war that let them kill dozens of innocents," President Barack Obama...
dscntnt: Neither AR-15s nor any similar styled rifles are military issue in any country. Using the phrase "weapons of war" is incorrect. Quoting that without explaining in what sense that phrase is used is misinformation.
No, what you spit out above is misinformation. The AR15 was the prototype for the m16 assault rifle, which was indeed a weapon of war.
Although the AR-15 has been standard issue for American service members for decades, .. the AR-15, (ArmaLite Rifle) was born in the late 1950s and came of age during the Vietnam War as an answer to Mikhail Kalashnikovs AK-47.
.. the AR-15, and eventually the M-16, was introduced as a replacement for the U.S. militarys M-14... A small number of AR-15s were first bought by the Air Force in 1962 ..With the Air Forces initial purchase, the AR-15 entered the U.S. militarys arms procurement pipeline.
After a series of tests and eventual adoption by other branches of the U.S. military, the AR-15, now the M-16, entered the jungles and rice paddies of Vietnam as a malfunction-prone mess. The weapon, after failing in combat time and time again,
The M-16 and its civilian counterpart {Today} bear only an external resemblance to its Vietnam-era ancestors and are considered mostly reliable, if properly maintained, by todays standards. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/13/the-history-of-the-ar-15-the-weapon-that-had-a-hand-in-americas-worst-mass-shooting/
dsscntnt: The term "assault rifle" properly refers to a select fire rifle that is actually capable of firing multiple shots per trigger pull.
You provide the technical definition of an assault rifle. The 'term' in common political usage is to distinguish many military rifles from conventional rifles. You actually know this & simply reiterate pro gun lobby propaganda to impress the board.
Also, an assault rifle in political terms can be one which can be converted back to full auto, using either a conversion kit or simple tools.
obama: "The system of background checks meant to keep guns out of the hands of people who might be dangerous is also notoriously flawed.
dscntnt: The system, like a chain, is only as strong as it's weakest link. It works the way it was designed to work.
Gong. The background check system does not collapse if a link is broken. The BG check system is like a stranded rope, if one or several strands are cut, the system weakens but does not break.
dscntnt: Most criticisms pointing out "loopholes" are talking about aspects of the system as it was design to work. Sales between private individuals were intended by the law mandating BGCs to be excluded no matter where they take place: gun show, parking lot or Burger King ladies room..
No it is a loophole in the law.
Quoting the family of Eugene Stoner who invented a precursor of the AR-15: "He died long before any mass shootings occurred," the family said. "But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events."
dscntnt: But this materially incorrect. Mr Stoner invented the AR-10 in 1955. Wikipedia lists 4 mass shootings prior to the AR-10's invention and at least 26 before his death 1997.
The Stoner family is likely meaning mass shootings with a high number of casualty & fatality, not simply a shooting with 4 deaths as was classified a mass shooting & could occur perhaps during a bank robbery.
And you evidently cite 1 mass shooting per 10 year time period, accd'g to your wiki link, prior to 1955.
wiki: "public mass shooting" if four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder". Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of four or more people with no cooling-off period. Related terms include school shooting and massacre..
dscntnt: Neither AR-15s nor any similar styled rifles are military issue in any country. Using the phrase "weapons of war" is incorrect. Quoting that without explaining in what sense that phrase is used is misinformation.
No, what you spit out above is misinformation. The AR15 was the prototype for the m16 assault rifle, which was indeed a weapon of war.
Although the AR-15 has been standard issue for American service members for decades, .. the AR-15, (ArmaLite Rifle) was born in the late 1950s and came of age during the Vietnam War as an answer to Mikhail Kalashnikovs AK-47.
.. the AR-15, and eventually the M-16, was introduced as a replacement for the U.S. militarys M-14... A small number of AR-15s were first bought by the Air Force in 1962 ..With the Air Forces initial purchase, the AR-15 entered the U.S. militarys arms procurement pipeline.
After a series of tests and eventual adoption by other branches of the U.S. military, the AR-15, now the M-16, entered the jungles and rice paddies of Vietnam as a malfunction-prone mess. The weapon, after failing in combat time and time again,
The M-16 and its civilian counterpart {Today} bear only an external resemblance to its Vietnam-era ancestors and are considered mostly reliable, if properly maintained, by todays standards. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/13/the-history-of-the-ar-15-the-weapon-that-had-a-hand-in-americas-worst-mass-shooting/
dsscntnt: The term "assault rifle" properly refers to a select fire rifle that is actually capable of firing multiple shots per trigger pull.
You provide the technical definition of an assault rifle. The 'term' in common political usage is to distinguish many military rifles from conventional rifles. You actually know this & simply reiterate pro gun lobby propaganda to impress the board.
Also, an assault rifle in political terms can be one which can be converted back to full auto, using either a conversion kit or simple tools.
obama: "The system of background checks meant to keep guns out of the hands of people who might be dangerous is also notoriously flawed.
dscntnt: The system, like a chain, is only as strong as it's weakest link. It works the way it was designed to work.
Gong. The background check system does not collapse if a link is broken. The BG check system is like a stranded rope, if one or several strands are cut, the system weakens but does not break.
dscntnt: Most criticisms pointing out "loopholes" are talking about aspects of the system as it was design to work. Sales between private individuals were intended by the law mandating BGCs to be excluded no matter where they take place: gun show, parking lot or Burger King ladies room..
No it is a loophole in the law.
Quoting the family of Eugene Stoner who invented a precursor of the AR-15: "He died long before any mass shootings occurred," the family said. "But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events."
dscntnt: But this materially incorrect. Mr Stoner invented the AR-10 in 1955. Wikipedia lists 4 mass shootings prior to the AR-10's invention and at least 26 before his death 1997.
The Stoner family is likely meaning mass shootings with a high number of casualty & fatality, not simply a shooting with 4 deaths as was classified a mass shooting & could occur perhaps during a bank robbery.
And you evidently cite 1 mass shooting per 10 year time period, accd'g to your wiki link, prior to 1955.
wiki: "public mass shooting" if four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder". Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of four or more people with no cooling-off period. Related terms include school shooting and massacre..
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In that case we need to put ALL the guns down so no one can get hurt by them.
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2016
#1
The right is to bear arms in a state organized militia. It is not and never has been a guarantee
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2016
#3
And if anyone had actually made such a ludicrous argument, *I'd* be the first to argue with them
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#7
"Threatening an old man" with what? Knowledge? You lot always were prone to anti-intellectualism...
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#8
And about that 'old man' remark: I qualify to buy into one of those 'active adult' (gag)
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2016
#14