Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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44. Its no straw man...

Reply to skepticscott (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:02 AM

Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

You guys never get tired of that silly straw man, do you?

Its no straw man.

As if anyone ever claimed that guns were conscious actors, capable of doing things on their own.

As if I claimed that someone made that claim. On the other hand, how numerous gun control pushers act and the way they speak about guns, and most importantly how they apportion the blame TO guns and almost never to the person who makes the bad decisions...They frequently refer to guns as if they are not inanimate, and regularly apportion the blame to the gun.

Taking anti-gunners at their word, and holding them to it, is no strawman.

The obvious point, which you are desperate to deflect from, is that the easy availability of guns, especially certain types of guns, makes killing people much easier than it would be with other kinds of weapons.

Deflect from? I admit it that guns make killing people much easier than it would be with other kinds of weapons. I also know that that is one of the reasons the framers chose to give arms special protection.

And no, the fact that some people get killed in other ways is not a counter-argument.

That people have been killed by other things has NEVER been a counterargument against the argument that guns make it easy to kill.

Its an argument that rightfully attacks certain extremists who care only about gun deaths.

We have mass shootings in this country almost every week.

Only by the definitions that have been changed to tally a higher number.

Give us comparable lists of mass stabbings and mass clubbings, and we'll talk.

Repeal amendment 2 and we'll talk.

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Banning guns versus banning alcohol. [View all] beevul Jun 2016 OP

Commerce in alcohol is regulated. nt. MH1 Jun 2016 #1

OTOH anoNY42 Jun 2016 #2

heck, you can be a full blown alcoholic and buy alcohol while high on drugs Press Virginia Jun 2016 #4

Even if you had a history of Drunk Driving.... anoNY42 Jun 2016 #17

One can't use a fifth of vodka to walk into a club and kill 49 people. Salviati Jun 2016 #18

how do you know he didn't drink a fifth of vodka before he walked into that club Press Virginia Jun 2016 #19

One can't use a fifth of vodka to protect your family either. ileus Jun 2016 #20

A repeat DUI sarisataka Jun 2016 #23

he could have killed everyone with one or two gejohnston Jun 2016 #25

Let's take a stroll down that avenue of inquiry ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #31

But you could easily kill an entire family in a car. anoNY42 Jun 2016 #46

so are guns, even more strictly than alcohol gejohnston Jun 2016 #10

With the repeal of prohibition, the people ceded that regulation to... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #49

So are weapons, much more so for them Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #36

LOL tell that to some of my "kin folks"... virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #42

On the other hand.... safeinOhio Jun 2016 #3

There is no ban on automatic weapons Press Virginia Jun 2016 #5

There was never safeinOhio Jun 2016 #15

"you can obtain one if you obtain a FFL (not hard to do) and can afford to pay for the weapon"... or Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #45

It amazes me that Roberts, Scalia et al. didn't try to roll that one back too. NT Jerry442 Jun 2016 #6

probably because it doesn't exist Press Virginia Jun 2016 #7

Aha! Since the burden on would-be full-auto buyers is so innocuous... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #8

I'm 100% certain you don't know what a semi-automatic gun is Press Virginia Jun 2016 #9

I'm quite clear on the difference between auto and semi-auto. I also know that... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #12

ruhhheaaaaallly. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #14

I encourage all reading this to research this issue on their own and form their own conclusions. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #16

Your reply to your interlocutor has a whopping strawman argument at the center of it friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #27

It's not so innocuous. Straw Man Jun 2016 #32

outside of the movies and the ones stolen from cops and national guard armories gejohnston Jun 2016 #11

Because full autos were never common in civilian hands, and semiautos work well for civilian use. benEzra Jun 2016 #55

Alcohol can be made in a bathtub, in pots and pans, in old rain barrels Warpy Jun 2016 #13

Point well-made actually, but bleah. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #21

Considering I'm an abstainer, they'd already written me off Warpy Jun 2016 #22

the second easiest to make gejohnston Jun 2016 #24

Mead is extremely east to make at home... theatre goon Jun 2016 #47

A five gallon pail of barley malt was cheaper than a 5 gallon can of honey Warpy Jun 2016 #50

Prohibition was a near-total ban skepticscott Jun 2016 #26

The gun prohibitionists have taken a gradualist approach, hence the calls for... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #28

What headline? beevul Jun 2016 #35

Um...the headline in your OP skepticscott Jun 2016 #38

Usually I just call it a title. beevul Jun 2016 #40

You guys never get tired of that silly straw man, do you? skepticscott Jun 2016 #43

Its no straw man... beevul Jun 2016 #44

"Next time" someone kills over a hundred with fertilizer and fuel oil. I've been told. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #51

Blame. Straw Man Jun 2016 #54

We do have laws about how old you have to be to buy alcohol. SheilaT Jun 2016 #29

you have no idea what the current gun laws are do you? gejohnston Jun 2016 #30

Given how easy it is for anyone to buy a gun, especially over the internet SheilaT Jun 2016 #33

first, it is easy to buy anything on the internet gejohnston Jun 2016 #34

Do you realize how silly it is skepticscott Jun 2016 #39

you know how silly it is to assume coke and heroin dealers go to the local gun store? gejohnston Jun 2016 #41

I have purchased many over the internet Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #37

I have purchased one over the Internet. theatre goon Jun 2016 #48

To add to the discussion, in Texas kids can drink alcohol... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #53

Too logical to be understood by the anti-gun crowd. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #52