Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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54. Blame.

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 12:26 AM

Jun 2016

As far as guns not being to blame, tell us that the next time someone stabs up a nightclub and kills 50 people with a switchblade within a few minutes.

Gasoline is a much more effective mass murder weapon than a knife. It's also easier to get.

An arsonist carrying a grudge and a container of gasoline sparked the inferno that killed 87 panicstricken revelers early yesterday in an illegal Bronx social club, authorities said.

It was the deadliest fire in the city in 79 years.

The terrified victims - half of them under 25 and all dressed for a night on the town - were trapped screaming and crying in the dark, two-story Happy Land social club, which had only one working door, a small window and no fire escape.

--http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/dozens-die-fire-illegal-bonx-social-club-1990-article-1.2152091

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Banning guns versus banning alcohol. [View all] beevul Jun 2016 OP

Commerce in alcohol is regulated. nt. MH1 Jun 2016 #1

OTOH anoNY42 Jun 2016 #2

heck, you can be a full blown alcoholic and buy alcohol while high on drugs Press Virginia Jun 2016 #4

Even if you had a history of Drunk Driving.... anoNY42 Jun 2016 #17

One can't use a fifth of vodka to walk into a club and kill 49 people. Salviati Jun 2016 #18

how do you know he didn't drink a fifth of vodka before he walked into that club Press Virginia Jun 2016 #19

One can't use a fifth of vodka to protect your family either. ileus Jun 2016 #20

A repeat DUI sarisataka Jun 2016 #23

he could have killed everyone with one or two gejohnston Jun 2016 #25

Let's take a stroll down that avenue of inquiry ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #31

But you could easily kill an entire family in a car. anoNY42 Jun 2016 #46

so are guns, even more strictly than alcohol gejohnston Jun 2016 #10

With the repeal of prohibition, the people ceded that regulation to... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #49

So are weapons, much more so for them Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #36

LOL tell that to some of my "kin folks"... virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #42

On the other hand.... safeinOhio Jun 2016 #3

There is no ban on automatic weapons Press Virginia Jun 2016 #5

There was never safeinOhio Jun 2016 #15

"you can obtain one if you obtain a FFL (not hard to do) and can afford to pay for the weapon"... or Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #45

It amazes me that Roberts, Scalia et al. didn't try to roll that one back too. NT Jerry442 Jun 2016 #6

probably because it doesn't exist Press Virginia Jun 2016 #7

Aha! Since the burden on would-be full-auto buyers is so innocuous... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #8

I'm 100% certain you don't know what a semi-automatic gun is Press Virginia Jun 2016 #9

I'm quite clear on the difference between auto and semi-auto. I also know that... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #12

ruhhheaaaaallly. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #14

I encourage all reading this to research this issue on their own and form their own conclusions. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #16

Your reply to your interlocutor has a whopping strawman argument at the center of it friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #27

It's not so innocuous. Straw Man Jun 2016 #32

outside of the movies and the ones stolen from cops and national guard armories gejohnston Jun 2016 #11

Because full autos were never common in civilian hands, and semiautos work well for civilian use. benEzra Jun 2016 #55

Alcohol can be made in a bathtub, in pots and pans, in old rain barrels Warpy Jun 2016 #13

Point well-made actually, but bleah. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #21

Considering I'm an abstainer, they'd already written me off Warpy Jun 2016 #22

the second easiest to make gejohnston Jun 2016 #24

Mead is extremely east to make at home... theatre goon Jun 2016 #47

A five gallon pail of barley malt was cheaper than a 5 gallon can of honey Warpy Jun 2016 #50

Prohibition was a near-total ban skepticscott Jun 2016 #26

The gun prohibitionists have taken a gradualist approach, hence the calls for... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #28

What headline? beevul Jun 2016 #35

Um...the headline in your OP skepticscott Jun 2016 #38

Usually I just call it a title. beevul Jun 2016 #40

You guys never get tired of that silly straw man, do you? skepticscott Jun 2016 #43

Its no straw man... beevul Jun 2016 #44

"Next time" someone kills over a hundred with fertilizer and fuel oil. I've been told. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #51

Blame. Straw Man Jun 2016 #54

We do have laws about how old you have to be to buy alcohol. SheilaT Jun 2016 #29

you have no idea what the current gun laws are do you? gejohnston Jun 2016 #30

Given how easy it is for anyone to buy a gun, especially over the internet SheilaT Jun 2016 #33

first, it is easy to buy anything on the internet gejohnston Jun 2016 #34

Do you realize how silly it is skepticscott Jun 2016 #39

you know how silly it is to assume coke and heroin dealers go to the local gun store? gejohnston Jun 2016 #41

I have purchased many over the internet Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #37

I have purchased one over the Internet. theatre goon Jun 2016 #48

To add to the discussion, in Texas kids can drink alcohol... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #53

Too logical to be understood by the anti-gun crowd. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #52