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In reply to the discussion: Let's call them what they are: [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)6. basic answers
How do we realistically keep it from happening:
Short answer, we don't. We can't predict the future so we can't lock up folks before hand.
People generally turn to crime when they're out of legal alternatives. Giving people more options and better social support will help.
People are hung up on the idea of crime prevention. Gun-control is a myth. The only control there is over a gun is that which the one who holds it subscribes to. I object to gun laws even being called gun-"control".
confiscate them all and melt them all down:
I engage some of those folks for a post or three and point out the scale of the task and resources required and then give up on them.
I used to live in San Francisco I was born there, I understand how someone who lives there, or in NY can consider someone wanting a semi automatic high powered rifle as fucking insane:
I was born in Philly. I grew up hearing about the mob hits during the 70s. I remember when the Chicken Man got hit. I remember watching Skinny Joey on the news with regularity. I moved to an NYC suburb and remember their news on TV. One of the first stories that really stuck with me was about a multi-car drive by at a pool party. We had that stuff in Philly too but unlike Philly the folks at party returned fire. I worked in El Segundo for several years. I stayed in Inglewood. A lot of the same stuff.
Guns don't bother me much. I think most folks aren't out to kill me. I shot competitively from when I was 15 until 22.
the discussion should be not about "assault weapons":
Of course not. But the media is after sound bites and buzz words. The politicians who use them know that. Unfortunately many using these terms think things like 'every full-auto assault weapon 30 clip magazine rifle fires 300 bullets per second.' Yeah, exactly your point. In short, many don't know what they're talking about. Ever try convincing them to learn? You get accused of "technicalities" and "talking points".
grandpa's M1 hits way harder for weighting a bit more and not being totally customizable, and it's 100 year old technology:
I've fired an M-1 several times, stripped it, cleaned it and reloaded ammo for it, 150 grain spitzers and 220s. It's a great rifle. A Garand is a rifle that can shoot over 500 yards and for me, that's where my interest is. It's not what you'd pick for an indoor gun fight.
Short answer, we don't. We can't predict the future so we can't lock up folks before hand.
People generally turn to crime when they're out of legal alternatives. Giving people more options and better social support will help.
People are hung up on the idea of crime prevention. Gun-control is a myth. The only control there is over a gun is that which the one who holds it subscribes to. I object to gun laws even being called gun-"control".
confiscate them all and melt them all down:
I engage some of those folks for a post or three and point out the scale of the task and resources required and then give up on them.
I used to live in San Francisco I was born there, I understand how someone who lives there, or in NY can consider someone wanting a semi automatic high powered rifle as fucking insane:
I was born in Philly. I grew up hearing about the mob hits during the 70s. I remember when the Chicken Man got hit. I remember watching Skinny Joey on the news with regularity. I moved to an NYC suburb and remember their news on TV. One of the first stories that really stuck with me was about a multi-car drive by at a pool party. We had that stuff in Philly too but unlike Philly the folks at party returned fire. I worked in El Segundo for several years. I stayed in Inglewood. A lot of the same stuff.
Guns don't bother me much. I think most folks aren't out to kill me. I shot competitively from when I was 15 until 22.
the discussion should be not about "assault weapons":
Of course not. But the media is after sound bites and buzz words. The politicians who use them know that. Unfortunately many using these terms think things like 'every full-auto assault weapon 30 clip magazine rifle fires 300 bullets per second.' Yeah, exactly your point. In short, many don't know what they're talking about. Ever try convincing them to learn? You get accused of "technicalities" and "talking points".
grandpa's M1 hits way harder for weighting a bit more and not being totally customizable, and it's 100 year old technology:
I've fired an M-1 several times, stripped it, cleaned it and reloaded ammo for it, 150 grain spitzers and 220s. It's a great rifle. A Garand is a rifle that can shoot over 500 yards and for me, that's where my interest is. It's not what you'd pick for an indoor gun fight.
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I can appreciate your thoughts on these matters. But this is a culture war...
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#1
Really? God that's pathetic. How far will gun people go to defend their fetish.
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#19
Jerry Miculek, a professional athlete widely regarded as the fastest shooter in the world,
benEzra
Aug 2016
#76
Trench warfare was a thing of the past by the time the M1 was developed (late 1930's)
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#94
That's what I was wondering. By the time the M1 was adopted, the Army was concentrating...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#95
I've only seen the term used to describe combat shotguns. I'd like to understand the context...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#97
Yeah, 8 vs 10 rounds per clip. Was mixing Enfield with Garand. Thanks for the correction. nt
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#24
The M1 is clip fed, whereas the Enfield is magazine fed. There really isn't any excuse...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#31
"I daresay that I know more about guns...than most gun nuts here on DU"
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#34
Only for bonefide gun nutz. The clip on the M1 is a box loaded outside the rifle.
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#38
No, this is basic technical terminology which someone of your supposed expertise...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#46
What "losing argument"? Correcting your erroneous terminology? It's extremely difficult for me...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#49
You're still deflecting and attacking me instead of addressing the basic premise. nt
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#65
I'm addressing your self professed status as someone highly knowledgeable of firearms...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#85
"If YOU don't understand the internal mechanisms of assault weapons I suggest that you are...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#67
In that particular venue, the Orlando shooter could have shot 103 people with a full-sized pistol,
benEzra
Aug 2016
#79
You're likely right, but I am genuinely curious having owned several M1s over the years...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#142
Because it's an "Evil Scary Gun Term", and "assault weapon" was already taken....
benEzra
Aug 2016
#143
155gr .30-06 is still trading velocity for long range and penetration. Try 110gr.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#33
6mm Remington "worked OK" (in your words) at U Texas. 9mm "worked OK" (again your words) at VT.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#43
Weight is a big issue now, but that was less of an criterion before body armor was general-issue.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#81
The red herrings and deflection in this thread are not coming from your interlocutors:
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#68
"At a time of increasing gun violence in America" Gun crime has decreased markedly in the US
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#106
How can gun violence not be a crime, unless one counts paper targets, clay pigeons...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#108
The *number of media accounts* is on the rise, not the rate. That is what is declining.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#111
You were talking about a license to own, not a license to carry. Big difference.
beevul
Aug 2016
#113
The book is by a legal scholar...here's some more...there are many cases...it's legal.
Sancho
Aug 2016
#117
Not desiring prior restraint on an enumerated right =/= "(a) desire to allow dangerous people...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#126
I have no problem with carry permits so long as they are given on an objective basis...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#130
Your licensing proposal is flawed, IMO, because of the idea "you can have one IF...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#134
How would you get the gun control lobby to sign up to that, or be constrained by it?
benEzra
Aug 2016
#137
All civilian repeating firearms have the ability to kill a lot of people if misused.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#83