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In reply to the discussion: Let's call them what they are: [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,567 posts)96. "trench gun":
"...the modern concept of the combat shotgun was fully developed by the American Expeditionary Forces during World War I. The trench gun, as it was called, was a short-barreled pump action shotgun loaded with 6 rounds containing antimony hardened 00 buckshot, and equipped with a bayonet. The M1897 and M1912 also could be slam fired: the weapon having no trigger disconnector, shells could be fired one after the other simply by working the slide if the trigger was held down. When fighting within a trench, the shorter shotgun could be rapidly turned and fired in both directions along the trench axis."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_shotgun
IMHO, the M1 is the antithesis of the trench gun.
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I can appreciate your thoughts on these matters. But this is a culture war...
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#1
Really? God that's pathetic. How far will gun people go to defend their fetish.
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#19
Jerry Miculek, a professional athlete widely regarded as the fastest shooter in the world,
benEzra
Aug 2016
#76
Trench warfare was a thing of the past by the time the M1 was developed (late 1930's)
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#94
That's what I was wondering. By the time the M1 was adopted, the Army was concentrating...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#95
I've only seen the term used to describe combat shotguns. I'd like to understand the context...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#97
Yeah, 8 vs 10 rounds per clip. Was mixing Enfield with Garand. Thanks for the correction. nt
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#24
The M1 is clip fed, whereas the Enfield is magazine fed. There really isn't any excuse...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#31
"I daresay that I know more about guns...than most gun nuts here on DU"
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#34
Only for bonefide gun nutz. The clip on the M1 is a box loaded outside the rifle.
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#38
No, this is basic technical terminology which someone of your supposed expertise...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#46
What "losing argument"? Correcting your erroneous terminology? It's extremely difficult for me...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#49
You're still deflecting and attacking me instead of addressing the basic premise. nt
flamin lib
Aug 2016
#65
I'm addressing your self professed status as someone highly knowledgeable of firearms...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#85
"If YOU don't understand the internal mechanisms of assault weapons I suggest that you are...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#67
In that particular venue, the Orlando shooter could have shot 103 people with a full-sized pistol,
benEzra
Aug 2016
#79
You're likely right, but I am genuinely curious having owned several M1s over the years...
Marengo
Aug 2016
#142
Because it's an "Evil Scary Gun Term", and "assault weapon" was already taken....
benEzra
Aug 2016
#143
155gr .30-06 is still trading velocity for long range and penetration. Try 110gr.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#33
6mm Remington "worked OK" (in your words) at U Texas. 9mm "worked OK" (again your words) at VT.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#43
Weight is a big issue now, but that was less of an criterion before body armor was general-issue.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#81
The red herrings and deflection in this thread are not coming from your interlocutors:
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#68
"At a time of increasing gun violence in America" Gun crime has decreased markedly in the US
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#106
How can gun violence not be a crime, unless one counts paper targets, clay pigeons...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#108
The *number of media accounts* is on the rise, not the rate. That is what is declining.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#111
You were talking about a license to own, not a license to carry. Big difference.
beevul
Aug 2016
#113
The book is by a legal scholar...here's some more...there are many cases...it's legal.
Sancho
Aug 2016
#117
Not desiring prior restraint on an enumerated right =/= "(a) desire to allow dangerous people...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#126
I have no problem with carry permits so long as they are given on an objective basis...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#130
Your licensing proposal is flawed, IMO, because of the idea "you can have one IF...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2016
#134
How would you get the gun control lobby to sign up to that, or be constrained by it?
benEzra
Aug 2016
#137
All civilian repeating firearms have the ability to kill a lot of people if misused.
benEzra
Aug 2016
#83