Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

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53. "Cop-killer bullets" and "hollowpoints" are opposite concepts.

Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:45 PM

Sep 2016

So-called "cop-killer bullets" were very hard nonexpanding, pointed-tip handgun bullets designed for police, to penetrate sheet metal and glass without deforming; they were restricted out of fear that they might allow a handgun to penetrate soft body armor that would otherwise be rated to stop that caliber of handgun.

Hollowpoints are relatively soft, fragile bullets designed to open up like a parachute to make them penetrate *less*, thereby transferring more energy to the target and reducing the risk of overpenetration/ricochet. This coincidentally reduces their ability to penetrate soft body armor somewhat.

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Gun Control has devolved to absolute fabrication [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 OP

I have seen that and laugh Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #1

A jury removed a post of mine because I stated that Bill Clinton signed major gun legislation krispos42 Aug 2016 #2

Recounting the fact Bill Clinton signed a law they want reenacted is a RW smear? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #3

I agree Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #5

I like the appeal process Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #4

That is ridiculous. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #36

It was, thankfully. krispos42 Sep 2016 #44

Given enough manure a bad idea will grow. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #6

They really are pathetic, but the lies are all they have Lurks Often Aug 2016 #7

I don't want to get into the habit of doing what they do: Congratulating ourselves Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #8

Agreed n/t Lurks Often Aug 2016 #11

Well, lies and misplaced hope DonP Aug 2016 #10

I find it especially ironic sarisataka Aug 2016 #9

I know, right, lol Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #18

Change a few words... beevul Aug 2016 #12

That description also holds for another group at DU. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #37

Which group would that be seeing as this group welcomes debate? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #39

Agreed. But I was talking about another group. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #41

Just look at who is behind the controllers....and what motivates them. ileus Aug 2016 #13

Not to be contrary but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #14

I think it went that way a long time ago... NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #15

You can tell its successful by ALL the activism taking root over there. jmg257 Aug 2016 #16

69 or 70. beevul Aug 2016 #17

Those yutz's are simply following the lead of early Controllers........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #19

Agreed. Straw Man Aug 2016 #20

That entire Maddow rant was so chock-full of BS that it would take many pages pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #21

wow beergood Sep 2016 #24

Yeah.......she truly is pathetic on the "gun control"/gun violence subject. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #26

So you think NJ's ban on cop-killer hollowpoints is BS? No. scscholar Sep 2016 #27

The descriptor 'cop-killer hollowpoints' is PURE BS. **YES** pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #28

Yes, its BS. "cop-killer hollowpoints" is exactly the kind of absolute fabrication the OP refers to. beevul Sep 2016 #29

What's a cop killer hollowpoint? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #30

do you even know what a hollowpoint is? beergood Sep 2016 #32

He/she is likely unaware that cops went to hollowpoints......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #33

But, but, they saw it on a bumper sticker! DonP Sep 2016 #45

"Cop-killer bullets" and "hollowpoints" are opposite concepts. benEzra Sep 2016 #53

If all of that is true, then... scscholar Sep 2016 #56

Because NJ passed a pointless law based on a non-existent panic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #57

Or pump your own gas DonP Sep 2016 #59

Actually, hollowpoints are legal in NJ. THe rest of your post stands, though. benEzra Sep 2016 #68

Because of people who were fed misinformation, which led them to support the proposed laws. beevul Sep 2016 #58

Same reason that "assault weapons" are demonized. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #60

Hollowpoints aren't banned in NJ (or to my knowledge, anywhere else). benEzra Sep 2016 #67

Gun control is a joke. Kang Colby Sep 2016 #22

A bad joke... beevul Sep 2016 #23

"Just say no" to more gun control. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #31

"There is even a complaint about the posting of articles discussing string theory in physics" beergood Sep 2016 #25

But you posted a perfectly legitimate scientific article. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #34

my apologies beergood Sep 2016 #71

I referred to the reference to your posts as made by your detractor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #72

If I look at the sky through rose-colored glasses it appears purple. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #35

It's a meaningless metaphor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38

Because they do not. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #40

According to the poster I cited in my OP Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #42

I prefer proven fact to accepted fact. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #43

And I believe you, which is why its so disappointing to see you so determined to align with a group Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #48

A question. When you said: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #52

I'm going to say some things but don't take my word for it. Poll my fellow RKBA advocates. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #54

Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales DonP Sep 2016 #55

I'll "third" these ideas. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #62

I understand that these are your personal views that may be shared. On that: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #66

I also prefer "allow" discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #69

I actually said "family" not immediate family because guillaumeb Sep 2016 #73

BGCs, carelessness, training, etc discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #79

Make training a yearly requirement? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #81

I'd be okay with an annual requirement discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #84

It's difficult to demand people do anything with their private property. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #70

The FOID card idea might work. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #74

One of the considerations is: Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #75

Training and testing might be something to subcontract to selected gun ranges guillaumeb Sep 2016 #76

Something tells me Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #77

quick question, gejohnston Sep 2016 #78

My first question would be:Does training ever hurt? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #80

If its used to turn a right into a privilege, yes, it hurts. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #82

"Does training ever hurt?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83

I second that approval. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #85

It doesn't hurt, gejohnston Sep 2016 #86

Would you support universal gun safety training... beevul Sep 2016 #87

If it had an "opt out" provision. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #88

That's a good idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #89

I wouldn't object to that. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #90

Book by liberal criminologists James Wright & Peter Rossi......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #61

To that crowd, they stopped being "Liberal" Criminologists when they published the research DonP Sep 2016 #63

Good enough for Jimmy Carter to hire, thrown under the bus by The Controllers. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #65

We've just been handed a prime example of how "gun control" relies on fabrication. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #46

Seems contrary to "we want a discussion" doesn't it? beevul Sep 2016 #47

Kind of like their version of "compromise"? DonP Sep 2016 #49

Exactly right Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #51

And not just in "Bans-a-lot Land." NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #50

Regarding guns, I get the two confused. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #64