Gun Control & RKBA

Eleanors38

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73. Regarding stocks, grips and guards, great attempt has been made by controller/banners

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:13 PM

Sep 2016

to outlaw any adjustment as this is all supposed to aid in getting off more rounds accurately so as to (presumably) kill more people in mass shootings/gang shootings/insurrection/hiding, etc. That "improving" the practicality of "bump firing" is thrown into the mix does not surprise me all.

Outdoor Life's most recent issue evaluated 4 AR rifles costing -$1,000 and weighing less than 7 lbs. for their usefulness in hunting. Some models were penalized for having, variously, "military-type grips," "military sights," and other features having to do with traditional (military) features. I think it ironic that for all the talk about banning military-style "assault weapons," those features are seen as negative for using ARs as hunting-shooting sports weapons. I also noted that Ruger (and presumably others) makes a "compliant" version (meets all the hoop jumps of various state bans) as well as more ergonomic, adjustable versions. Same price, same availability.

I do not consider you stupid, about guns or anythig else. But you'll have to excuse me while I wash the blood off my cold dead hands.

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Swiss Balk At EU Concept Of Stripping ‘Assault Rifles’ From The People [View all] Purveyor Sep 2016 OP

It looks as if gun control in foreign lands... beevul Sep 2016 #1

Gun-"control" is just another political project discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #3

Too-true a summary. appal_jack Sep 2016 #7

praising or burying caesar? jimmy the one Sep 2016 #10

Where did you go to school and.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #11

So its "restrictive" in Switzerland, but its still not enough for the EU. beevul Sep 2016 #14

you call that restrictive? beergood Sep 2016 #46

california has stricter gun laws than switz - baloney jimmy the one Sep 2016 #49

i call baloney on your baloney beergood Sep 2016 #62

swiss vs california gun policies jimmy the one Sep 2016 #68

thank you beergood Sep 2016 #105

am i wrong? beergood Sep 2016 #108

whats the problem jimmy? beergood Sep 2016 #63

What problems? Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #4

Then accessibility is not the culprit despite what we're constantly told. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #5

Are those actual "assault weapons"? JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #2

"Maybe America should be investing in the same" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #6

swiss investments jimmy the one Sep 2016 #9

That poster said "swiss model of national defense"... beevul Sep 2016 #15

the cavilling beeve jimmy the one Sep 2016 #51

The nattering james... beevul Sep 2016 #52

Upon retirement all Swiss military have the option of oneshooter Sep 2016 #13

Not "assault weapons", but real assault rifles. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #55

going off half cocked, are you? jimmy the one Sep 2016 #8

"and the argument is that the swiss are saturated with guns?" No one has made that argument friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #16

Thats known more properly as the 'iverglas wallotext gambit'. beevul Sep 2016 #19

I'd call it a variant of the 'Gish Gallop': friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #41

icon confuses gish gallop with ordinary post jimmy the one Sep 2016 #50

You countered my allegation by posting a "wall-o-text" that has naught to do with the OP... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #60

600,000 full-auto rifles in Switzerland is far more than the 2-300k in U.S. civilian hands. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #12

Please see #8. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #17

And? Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #18

And there aren't 600,000 assault weapons in Swiss hands. flamin lib Sep 2016 #20

re: "...AFTER it is converted to single fire." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #21

They aren't assault weapons. They are full-auto assault rifles. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #22

I'm confused. I'm told that AR-15s aren't assault weapons because flamin lib Sep 2016 #23

Actual military rifles like the M-16 and M-4 are "assault rifles" discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #24

Well, ol'flame, we all get confused... Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #25

You quote Josh, I quote the gun manufacturers. flamin lib Sep 2016 #30

"Technically"? Straw Man Sep 2016 #35

That was from the person that also proclaimed the following: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #42

Isn't he one of the hosts that Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #53

They edited their comments DonP Sep 2016 #54

Not surprised Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #56

That "effect" is not recognized as "auto" by the ATF, the agency charged with gun regs. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #44

I understand that. Contrary to a number of gunner's opinions of me I am not stupid. flamin lib Sep 2016 #66

Can you provide a link to the more sophisticated stock assemblies? I have no interest... Marengo Sep 2016 #70

Then go shopping. You really want advice from a flamin lib Sep 2016 #71

You were able to provide an example in post #67 without much difficulty I presume. I would think... Marengo Sep 2016 #75

If I were to provide advice for someone who wants advice on bumpfire flamin lib Sep 2016 #76

I'm not asking for advice, rather for you to provide an example to back you claim that... Marengo Sep 2016 #78

No, you are trying to hijack this sub thread and you should know by now flamin lib Sep 2016 #79

Wouldn't the best method to avoid questions of veracity be to include proof? Marengo Sep 2016 #81

It would if it didn't lead to another red herring which is a specialty here.mnt flamin lib Sep 2016 #83

I am only asking for you to explain your understanding of a term you used in this thread. Marengo Sep 2016 #86

I'm not going away mad, I'm just going away because you make a very tedious flamin lib Sep 2016 #87

Regarding stocks, grips and guards, great attempt has been made by controller/banners Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #73

Could you explain what you mean by "resets mid cycle"? Marengo Sep 2016 #59

That's what I'd like to know too. Straw Man Sep 2016 #61

If you don't know what that means you are unqualified to engage in this discussion. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #65

I'm asking for your definition. Can you provide one? Why did you avoid the question? Marengo Sep 2016 #69

I'm not avoiding a question. Just pointing out that a certain level flamin lib Sep 2016 #72

What causes you to believe I don't have that "level of sophistication". If your understanding... Marengo Sep 2016 #74

Becaue you asked a really unsophisticated question. flamin lib Sep 2016 #77

It seems I can safely assume you don't understand the concept and simply don't know what... Marengo Sep 2016 #80

You can assume anything you want. I really don't care to indulge you in meaningless banter. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #82

I should think you would want to prevent others from assuming the same as well. Marengo Sep 2016 #84

Judging by this exchange... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #91

It really does appear that way, doesn't it? Marengo Sep 2016 #92

Can you expound on your comment on design and adoption dates? What can't I tell... Marengo Sep 2016 #85

Ah a convenient memory! nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #88

Why do you refuse to answer the question? Marengo Sep 2016 #89

Because you're not the boss of me. Nana boo boo. And it drives you nuts. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #94

I found the reference. Are these pre-WWi rifle you own Mosin Nagants? Am I correct in recalling... Marengo Sep 2016 #90

because I was tired of seeing gunners soil the thread. Now, go away, I am. flamin lib Sep 2016 #93

Are they, or are they not, Mosin Nagants? Do you want me to assume that they are? Marengo Sep 2016 #95

Yep, they are Mosins, I found your post. The design was adopted in 1891, not 1898 as you... Marengo Sep 2016 #96

The Russian military put a call for a new infantry rifle sometime in the early/mid 1880s. flamin lib Sep 2016 #98

First production run of Mosin Nagant Model 1891 Three Line rifle was Chaterllerault, France 1892. Marengo Sep 2016 #99

What are the model designations for the paratrooper and tanker variants? Marengo Sep 2016 #100

You also might want edit where you claim the first production run was of Dragoons in the USA... Marengo Sep 2016 #101

Looks like your the one having the trouble understanding the difference. Designed in 1898... Marengo Sep 2016 #97

Let's approach this from another angle. Straw Man Sep 2016 #107

Do you have a link to "assault weapons conversion kits"? tortoise1956 Sep 2016 #64

They have cleverly been re-named to tactical kits. flamin lib Sep 2016 #67

Do tell. Straw Man Sep 2016 #103

Some things never seem to change. The standard of accuracy for antigun posts at DU is one of them friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #104

Nice catch. Not only have we been served bullshit, it's *recycled* bullshit: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #109

Link? You may have better luck asking him for an Indio (coin) Marengo Sep 2016 #106

Yes, but they can buy ammo at the store gejohnston Sep 2016 #27

Yes, but if they have to go through that extra step flamin lib Sep 2016 #29

there is no empirical evidence to support the claim gejohnston Sep 2016 #31

I'm sorry, you're wrong. And I don't feel inclined go indulge in the mental masturbation flamin lib Sep 2016 #32

So thats what a mind closing sounds like. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #33

It sounds like a bear trap snapping shut to include the anguished howls. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38

More like an empty can kicked down a gravel road DonP Sep 2016 #58

IOW, argument by assertion gejohnston Sep 2016 #34

No, I won't play your silly assed game. You don't get to assert that something that flamin lib Sep 2016 #39

"I want to save lives." Appeal to emotion aside, we are free to question the efficacy of your ideas friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #40

And you don't get to assert something is truth without substantiation and have it automatically... beevul Sep 2016 #43

post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Sep 2016 #102

"mental masturbation" beergood Sep 2016 #48

Typical of those with closed minds Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #57

Right. Straw Man Sep 2016 #36

You started out arguing about semi vs full auto, now it's suicides. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #37

"suicides go down" beergood Sep 2016 #47

Too bad we do not have the same deathrind Sep 2016 #26

some states do, gejohnston Sep 2016 #28

Swiss, and Canadians, and many others, can own guns benEzra Sep 2016 #45