Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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22. The devil is in the details.

Sun Jan 1, 2017, 07:52 PM

Jan 2017

I figure if anyone can explain why the NRA (and other groups) oppose making toy guns (and to be painfully over exacting, other non lethal gun like devices) easily distinguishable from real guns.

There is a big difference between "toy guns" and "other non lethal gun like devices." Lumping them together is erroneous and dangerous. Air guns can maim and in some cases even kill. They are dangerous. Why should they be marked to indicate that they're not?

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Report: 86 people carrying fake or toy guns killed by police in 2 years [View all] flamin lib Dec 2016 OP

You would have to ask the NRA sarisataka Dec 2016 #1

Are they opposed? ileus Dec 2016 #2

I have so many of the gungeoneers on ignore I have log out to see them. flamin lib Dec 2016 #3

That is a decent article. ManiacJoe Jan 2017 #17

What makes you think that someone, who can't accept a right... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #18

Well, you know. One more hit with Ben's 2x4 might do the trick. ManiacJoe Jan 2017 #21

You are placing people on "Ignore" ... Straw Man Jan 2017 #24

Heh. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #28

See post #20 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #30

Many gun people have you on "ignore". oneshooter Jan 2017 #43

Don't recall saying that, maybe I did but don't recall. flamin lib Jan 2017 #44

I have a different Question: Why is it OK to kill people with Toy Guns if we have RKBA? mackdaddy Dec 2016 #4

No, I'm asking the right question. Thanks for playing. flamin lib Dec 2016 #5

..... justhanginon Dec 2016 #6

Those folks need a toy NRA discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #7

Because most of the replica firearms being discussed here aren't toys. benEzra Dec 2016 #8

At least 13 were replicas and 16 were airsoft. flamin lib Dec 2016 #9

The article *you* quoted says "air guns", not just toys. benEzra Dec 2016 #10

No, it is NOT the case. flamin lib Dec 2016 #11

Your own article puts BB and pellet weapons at the top of the list. benEzra Dec 2016 #12

I ask one more time flamin lib Dec 2016 #13

Pellet guns are not toys - they are real weapons hack89 Jan 2017 #23

He doesn't want to listen citood Jan 2017 #51

They don't. That's *ALREADY* the law, since 1988 (15 U.S. Code 5001). benEzra Jan 2017 #34

Soooooo flamin lib Jan 2017 #35

They are marketed and sold as theatrical props hack89 Jan 2017 #38

which begs the question gejohnston Jan 2017 #39

Those aren't toys. Your link has law-enforcement training replicas, and benEzra Jan 2017 #60

Tamir Rice. nt flamin lib Jan 2017 #61

Who was holding an Airsoft that someone else had painted to look real. benEzra Jan 2017 #62

John Crawford nt flamin lib Jan 2017 #63

Another fail- Crawford was handling a pellet/BB gun, which was an actual weapon- not a toy friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #64

Who was shot when a shopper who was either racist, delusional, or anti-gun trolled 911... benEzra Jan 2017 #66

Why haven't I heard from our resident NRA expert and supporter/promoter, Kang Colby. flamin lib Dec 2016 #14

The devil is in the details. Straw Man Jan 2017 #22

Because it's already federal law. Kang Colby Jan 2017 #26

Thanks for the reply and glad you had a wonderful weekend. flamin lib Jan 2017 #36

You make some fair points. Kang Colby Jan 2017 #37

So it's the victim's fault? These are all crimes worthy of capital punishment? flamin lib Jan 2017 #40

Sooo, the civilian weapons yagotme Jan 2017 #41

Lethality is more than ballistics. flamin lib Jan 2017 #42

My post was in reply to yours, yagotme Jan 2017 #45

Can you shoot that fast? flamin lib Jan 2017 #46

No, not quite, but if someone wanted to practice, yagotme Jan 2017 #47

One more time, flamin lib Jan 2017 #48

And you claim I throw insults? n/t oneshooter Jan 2017 #49

How many hours do I get, like in FL? yagotme Jan 2017 #50

It is idiocy to maintain a man with a revolver can wound or kill 100 people flamin lib Jan 2017 #52

Are you always this condescending yagotme Jan 2017 #53

This is the same "expert" who claimed the first production run of Mosin Nagant rifles... Marengo Jan 2017 #54

I know, have been watching his modus operandi yagotme Jan 2017 #55

Naa, I save condescension for the guy who flamin lib Jan 2017 #56

Oh my. yagotme Jan 2017 #57

"Silencers...really don't silence and only serve the purpose of making your gun longer" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #65

So, why all the expense of putting something yagotme Jan 2017 #68

And yet every year, ten or fifteen times as many people are murdered with revolvers benEzra Jan 2017 #67

The best reason that I can think of is... ToolMaker Dec 2016 #15

I'll answer your question if you answer mine discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #16

this reply is for discntnt_irny_srcsm because DU won't let me post replyies to flamin lib Jan 2017 #19

Cool & Happy New Year discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #20

Beginning to sound like a very proper British comedy. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #29

Apparently I was temporarily unigored via manual override... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #58

Confusion to the enemy! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #59

Only thing I come up with is it's a pushback SQUEE Jan 2017 #25

Well, reading both the CBS & the mammoth WaPo screed, little about the NRA.. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #27

If I recall, in IL, yagotme Jan 2017 #31

That doesn't surprise me. I attempted a discussion with a gun prohibitionist Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #32

Bayonets, pikes, swords yagotme Jan 2017 #33