Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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8. re: "It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword."

Sat Apr 1, 2017, 06:55 AM

Apr 2017

What exactly would "live by the sword" mean?
The origin of that is from the story of the last supper and subsequent betrayal and arrest.

The Last Supper:
Matthew 26:
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29 From now on I am not going to drink any wine, until I drink new wine with you in my Father’s kingdom.” 30 Then they sang a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives.
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36 Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane. When they got there, he told them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”
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50 Jesus replied, “My friend, why are you here?”
The men grabbed Jesus and arrested him.
51 One of Jesus' followers pulled out a sword. He struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear.
52 But Jesus told him, “Put your sword away. Anyone who lives by fighting will die by fighting.

The follower who attacked with the sword attempted to resolve a problem with laws of the day and the conspiracy which led to the arrest and conviction of an innocent. Cunning and fabrication led to the death of someone who had not broken a law but was out of favor with those of influence and power.

An account of the same evening before leaving for the garden from Luke 22:
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35 Jesus asked his disciples, “When I sent you out without a moneybag or a traveling bag or sandals, did you need anything?”
“No!” they answered.
36 Jesus told them, “But now, if you have a moneybag, take it with you. Also take a traveling bag, and if you don’t have a sword, sell some of your clothes and buy one.

Taking the whole of the related events of that evening in the admonitions to both 'sell some of one's clothes if need be to buy a sword' and 'not to live by the sword' it is my conclusion that the ownership and even use of a weapon isn't wrong. However, the unlawful use of the weapon, regardless of the intended end, is wrong.

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im curious to know [View all] wincest Apr 2017 OP

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #1

Depends on whether you've changed your views on Trump elias7 Apr 2017 #2

i have not wincest Apr 2017 #5

I own a firearm, IndianaDave Apr 2017 #3

"to take it to the local Police Department to register it" wincest Apr 2017 #6

Even though Trump is - in the kindest term - unhinged, IndianaDave Apr 2017 #9

thank you wincest Apr 2017 #10

The 2nd HAB911 Apr 2017 #11

have to disagree wincest Apr 2017 #12

as example HAB911 Apr 2017 #13

re: "Before 1965, it would have occurred to precisely nobody... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #14

Anyway HAB911 Apr 2017 #15

Taking a straw man for an ally isn't the wisest of tactics. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #16

Straw man? HAB911 Apr 2017 #17

You called? Straw Man Apr 2017 #22

why ask me? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #23

"Bazooka" is an archaic term, and general used only by those with limited knowledge and .... Marengo Apr 2017 #26

LOL! HAB911 Apr 2017 #29

Essentially my reaction towards someone who uses "bazooka". It is however useful in the sense... Marengo Apr 2017 #37

if the use of bazooka is obsolete in your mind HAB911 Apr 2017 #38

Ridiculous. On the contrary, it weakens you argument. Please do continue using the term though Marengo Apr 2017 #41

Everyone loves Relational Similarities HAB911 Apr 2017 #43

I noticed you haven't responded to any posts on asymmetrical warfare in this thread... Marengo Apr 2017 #50

I think you hold yourself HAB911 Apr 2017 #51

Who is this "you" you are referring to? Marengo Apr 2017 #54

What are your qualifications for accurately assessing who can or cannot successfully engage... Marengo Apr 2017 #55

I submit that the very nature of asymmetrical warfare includes that any instance is successful. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #57

Still very curious to know what qualifies you to accurately determine who may, or may not,... Marengo Apr 2017 #59

"A threat to ignore is to opposing opinions" wincest Apr 2017 #58

Exactly. NT pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #61

As much as this may be a wasted effort, here's a perspective. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #28

Sorry HAB911 Apr 2017 #30

"(Y)our/our peashooters will be worthless" Ahem. Just last week in Afghanistan: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #32

People have difficultly understanding sarisataka Apr 2017 #33

Completely correct. History has proven this. yagotme Apr 2017 #47

"Sometimes a side can win by simply not losing." pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #62

I can't imagine why discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #64

I just can't remember that quote about learning from history discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #40

Wash, rinse, repeat. yagotme Apr 2017 #48

I tossed my crystal ball after the last election discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #39

i would wincest Apr 2017 #20

The common 18th century definition of "free state" could indicate either for or against... Marengo Apr 2017 #25

Say hypothetically Calexit happened sarisataka Apr 2017 #27

Are you required by law to register firearms where you live? Marengo Apr 2017 #24

We need some people like you to start a RRA, Responsible Alice11111 Apr 2017 #34

What, in your view, constitutes reasonable gun ownership? Marengo Apr 2017 #42

Called our police and our sheriff about registering my firearms Hangingon Apr 2017 #46

Not changing. It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword. caroldansen Apr 2017 #4

agree wincest Apr 2017 #7

re: "It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #8

Perhaps you have another view discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #44

"It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword." sarisataka Apr 2017 #45

I've always been a 2A progressive democrat....ALWAYS. ileus Apr 2017 #18

Not in the least sarisataka Apr 2017 #19

agree wincest Apr 2017 #21

I have not lunamagica Apr 2017 #31

Not me. MarvinGardens Apr 2017 #35

I have not. yagotme Apr 2017 #36

"Am supporter of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. ALL the rights." wincest Apr 2017 #49

I actually got to meet Mr. McDonald, yagotme Apr 2017 #52

Still standing with (liberal) Kaili Joy Gray pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #53

Just a few points and issues discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #56

We might be on the same page on every book on the shelf. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #60

Thanks. I don't know about today but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #63