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Straw Man

(6,777 posts)
30. I guess you don't like titles.
Mon Apr 10, 2017, 12:11 AM
Apr 2017
It is a battle between 2A supporters and lives. If you feel the Second Amendment is more important than lives, OK. That's what it boils down to.

It is nothing of the kind. Your radical simplification does a disservice to both sides of the issue. Let's look at some similar proposals.

Many lives could be saved if speed limits were lowered to 40 mph nationwide. If you oppose that, then you think that driving fast is more important than lives. Many lives could be saved if using a cell phone while driving meant a mandatory ten years in prison and the loss of your driving privileges for life. If you oppose that, then you think that texting is more important than lives. An outright prohibition on alcohol, with severe penalties for any infraction, could save countless lives that are lost every year to alcohol-related crimes, accidents, and diseases. If you oppose prohibition of alcohol, you think that booze is more important than lives.

See how that works?

82% of people stopped during stop & frisk were innocent.

And 18% were not. That's a lot of guns and drugs taken off the street. Anti-gun guru Michael Bloomberg was a fervent supporter of stop-and-frisk, crediting it with drastically lowering NYC's gun-death rate. So ... if you oppose stop-and-frisk, you think that privacy is more important than lives. Does that sound about right?

BTW, I oppose stop-and-frisk.

States with stricter gun laws had a 42% lower mortality rate than states with looser gun laws (from Harvard Medical School Researchers).

How was that statistic derived? How did the researchers determine the strictness of gun laws? Do they consider NY a strict state because of its universal background checks or a lax state because no training is required for the issuance of a concealed-carry permit? Does the "mortality rate" distinguish between suicides and homicides? Between murder and justifiable homicide? How is the strictness of a state's gun laws relevant to murders committed by people who obtained their guns illegally? How does the poverty level in these states correlate with the mortality rates?

You mght want to read this article before you tout those findings:

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/

Again, what do you think will solve the problem? More guns? Should we just dump a box of firearms at a mental facility and wait for them to all shoot each other? Do you think people with criminal pasts should be allowed to access arms?

Hyperbole is not your friend.
Is the assumption mental illness can not be cured? Throck Mar 2017 #1
Are mentally ill people with motor vechicles safer? Throck Mar 2017 #2
Of course not. yagotme Mar 2017 #4
I support RKBA but background checks and restrictions for the mentally ill just make sense. Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #3
See my #4 post. nt yagotme Mar 2017 #5
'mentally ill' is a moveable feast, and people within that category are more likely to be victims of AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #12
Why don't the gun nuts understand this? Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #13
Who are these "gun nuts" you speak of? And what is your definition of "mentally ill"? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #14
... Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #15
Let's take a look at this. Straw Man Apr 2017 #16
Sure. Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #18
It's simple. Straw Man Apr 2017 #19
. Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #20
That's how it currently works with the Gun Control Act gejohnston Apr 2017 #21
/ Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #22
Remember what I said about about advocacy groups gejohnston Apr 2017 #23
, Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #25
Just out of curiosity sarisataka Apr 2017 #29
just a few things gejohnston Apr 2017 #33
Around and around. Straw Man Apr 2017 #24
/ Carter Johnson girl Apr 2017 #28
I guess you don't like titles. Straw Man Apr 2017 #30
Mentally incompetent does not equal mentally ill. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #17
Very misleading title and article. ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #6
As long as the person making the determination... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #7
Exactly. ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #9
Like the Trump White House, gun control advocacy relies upon 'faith-promoting rumor' friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #8
Headline is a lie. Straw Man Mar 2017 #10
Exactly kudzu22 Mar 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Snackshack Apr 2017 #26
So the next bill is they will sell guns to suicidal people kimbutgar Apr 2017 #27
Exactly how wild was the "wild west"? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #32
Anyone take the time to read the actual Bill? Alea Apr 2017 #31
Welcome to DU. yagotme Apr 2017 #34
Thanks for the welcome yagotme :) Alea Apr 2017 #35
You're welcome for the welcome. yagotme Apr 2017 #36
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