Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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35. Actually, no

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 07:24 PM

Aug 2017

None of the gun laws in Europe had anything to do with "being pretty dangerous", it had everything with the monarchs and the oligarchs being overly concerned for their safety at the hands of working class bolshevik during the "red scare". Italy's gun laws date back fascist rule.
If their gun laws were a reason for their lower murder rate, Brazil and Mexico should have even lower rates. The plurality of criminologists consider gun laws and gun ownership is pretty irrelevant. There is no correlation between gun laws or gun ownership and crime. The real issue is the GINI coefficient.
BTW, why would gun laws be relevant? Criminals and gangs in the US don't go to gun stores or to gun shows. That has been pretty well established by the Wright Rossi studies in the 1980s. It is an issue where the right and left are both wrong.

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Unreal, Canadian being fully prosecuted, for using a home invader's gun against him... [View all] virginia mountainman Aug 2017 OP

As the suspects fled. RandySF Aug 2017 #1

From your own excert they were running away. flamin lib Aug 2017 #2

Artical is not clear on the details... virginia mountainman Aug 2017 #3

Why would you have to shoot at someone running away? Eko Aug 2017 #4

Me? out on the street? I wont.. Unless you're pointing a gun at me as you run... virginia mountainman Aug 2017 #5

Whatever, Eko Aug 2017 #6

Revenge code don't apply to me. virginia mountainman Aug 2017 #9

And I wold never, ever, ever Eko Aug 2017 #7

Who said I would shoot at an "unknown target"? virginia mountainman Aug 2017 #8

Dunno if you noticed, but this Monroe guy isn't even named AS THE HOMEOWNER ... mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #14

It says " sarisataka Aug 2017 #11

Not only does it not say Monroe is the homeowner ... it doesn't even say he's not one of the 3 mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #15

The article doesn't say sarisataka Aug 2017 #10

"Shots were fired as the suspects fled." Straw Man Aug 2017 #12

I must say I find the 'gist' here rather hard to believe ... mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #13

Judging by the discussion on this, the NRA will have a field day using this as "proof" of what will Nitram Aug 2017 #16

I suppose you could oppose any restriction sarisataka Aug 2017 #17

I don't. Nitram Aug 2017 #21

IMHO, you, me or anyone... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #18

guns already are regulated in the US, gejohnston Aug 2017 #19

"the most tightly regulated consumer product in the US." That is patently false. Nitram Aug 2017 #22

Cars and guns. Straw Man Aug 2017 #23

There are no restrictions on openly carrying a firearm in public in Virginia. Nitram Aug 2017 #24

yes but owning a gun is a right, driving is not gejohnston Aug 2017 #26

In a "well regulated militia." Nitram Aug 2017 #55

And who is the militia? discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #58

"When properly formed..." Nitram Aug 2017 #60

yes and no, gejohnston Aug 2017 #61

No, the National Guards were what became of the militias, which were originally conceived to protect Nitram Aug 2017 #63

I said that gejohnston Aug 2017 #66

No, you did not say that. You said, "The National Guard and Reserves are simply reserve forces..." Nitram Aug 2017 #67

They are, gejohnston Aug 2017 #68

It does not say THE PEOPLE have a right. It says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary Nitram Aug 2017 #69

The New Yorker is wrong, gejohnston Aug 2017 #70

Like the guy who has 5 cars that he never drives off his property so he doesn't have to Nitram Aug 2017 #72

Your point? gejohnston Aug 2017 #73

Interpreting of laws relies on certain principles discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #71

that isn't a restriction, gejohnston Aug 2017 #59

It isn't a restriction, it is a right. Every property-owning white man (as the Constitution Nitram Aug 2017 #62

wrong on the history. gejohnston Aug 2017 #64

You have a point, gejonston. Nitram Aug 2017 #65

But there are restrictions on concealed carry. Straw Man Aug 2017 #47

Then why do you need to pay for insurance for every vehicle you own? Nitram Aug 2017 #54

You don't. oneshooter Aug 2017 #56

If you have to use that silly argument that you don't have to pay insurance except on vehicles Nitram Aug 2017 #57

Let me type this slower. oneshooter Aug 2017 #74

That was so slow I fell asleep halfway through. Nitram Aug 2017 #76

Because comprehensive insurance also covers damage to the vehicle. Straw Man Aug 2017 #75

no it isn't. gejohnston Aug 2017 #25

Oh come on marylandblue Aug 2017 #27

many people buy a gun without ever intending to carry in public discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #28

It is in fact assumed you'll drive it public, so laws are all about driving marylandblue Aug 2017 #31

You asserted that it is assumed that most all car buyers will drive in public. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #33

Whatever you buy, it is assumed you will use it for it's intended purpose marylandblue Aug 2017 #36

huh? gejohnston Aug 2017 #37

Huh right back marylandblue Aug 2017 #39

the CDC website under accidents gejohnston Aug 2017 #40

Yes I saw the statistics. marylandblue Aug 2017 #42

that is why I said near zero gejohnston Aug 2017 #43

Near Zero isn't zero marylandblue Aug 2017 #44

Maybe you could cut to the chase here and list what you want as law discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #48

I don't like the term "control" either marylandblue Aug 2017 #49

honest question, gejohnston Aug 2017 #50

There would only need to be one check marylandblue Aug 2017 #52

NICS is a federal program gejohnston Aug 2017 #53

Please see my embedded comments below discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #51

collectors and people who live on farms. gejohnston Aug 2017 #29

Okay, lets do it like they do in Norway marylandblue Aug 2017 #34

Actually, no gejohnston Aug 2017 #35

You raised a lot of issues at once: Some questions and responses about that marylandblue Aug 2017 #38

I read and study the issue more gejohnston Aug 2017 #41

You brought up Brazil and Mexico, so fine they aren't relevant marylandblue Aug 2017 #45

Brazil and Mexico is relevant because of their GINI coefficents gejohnston Aug 2017 #46

Stories like this is why we must remain progressive on the 2A here in the USA. ileus Aug 2017 #20

Define "progressive on the 2a" please... eom Purveyor Aug 2017 #30

pardon the intrusion discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2017 #32