Gun Control & RKBA

Kaleva

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38. The term assault weapon is going to stay around. It's not going away.

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #37)

Fri Oct 20, 2017, 07:13 AM

Oct 2017

I wanted to come up with a definition that is precise. There's no easy way around it and so far, no one has come forward with an idea on how to. The only way is to either change the action of the gun or the size of the center fire cartridge. My definition also gets away from the debate on magazine capacity and the appearance of the gun.

Back in 2012 when I first came up with this, I decided not to include semi-automatics that fired rimfire ammo because they are very popular and common guns used for target shooting, as plinkers, for varmint control and have a long history of being used successfully in home defense situations. And they are very rarely the weapon of choice for bad guys.

And as for the dimensions of the cartridge, I choose a minimum of 6.5mm for the diameter of the bullet and 2" for the length of the case because at that size and bigger, one is getting into ammunition that is commonly used by hunters and long range target shooters.

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A different way of defining what an assault weapon is [View all] Kaleva Oct 2017 OP

any loaded gun aimed at another human being is an assault weapon nt msongs Oct 2017 #1

Correct. Straw Man Oct 2017 #5

You win the internet Alea Oct 2017 #6

Thank you. Straw Man Oct 2017 #7

This could be any of my counter assault weapons. ileus Oct 2017 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #3

Simpler: Any semiauto centerfire rifle or brace-equipped-pistol capable of accepting detachable mags JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #4

Does this mean AR and AK pistols without braces would not be AWs? aikoaiko Oct 2017 #8

I suppose. Can't win 'em all. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #9

What about... Always Right Oct 2017 #11

Same way Machine Guns can be Short barreled rifles without dual registration. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #12

So a SBR can have a bump stock? Always Right Oct 2017 #14

LOL, I don't think bump stocks are going to be around much longer. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #15

Over inclusive and under inclusive at the same time Always Right Oct 2017 #20

My definition (or post content) suggests banning nothing. It's just a definition. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #21

The NFA registry has its own issues Always Right Oct 2017 #22

New NFA process is just fine. People are just impatient. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #23

Eforms never worked right Always Right Oct 2017 #24

Simplicity is good, but... Adrahil Nov 2017 #45

Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #47

Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #48

Your definition of AW is too broad and at the same time over inclusive Always Right Oct 2017 #10

There's no point in reinventing the wheel in an effort to get around this Kaleva Oct 2017 #13

Pressure, in answer to your statement: yagotme Oct 2017 #16

Thanks for the info! Kaleva Oct 2017 #17

Welcome! n/t yagotme Oct 2017 #29

I would like to read your thoughts on how to avoid being an AW. Kaleva Oct 2017 #18

Not sure anyone can define semi-auto AW Always Right Oct 2017 #19

That maxim 50 is dumb as hell JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #25

You said in an earlier post that it was easy to get around what I proposed Kaleva Oct 2017 #26

I have a few basic questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #27

Some answers Kaleva Oct 2017 #28

And replies discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #30

Most every term in relation to guns is well understood except for assault weapons Kaleva Oct 2017 #31

Have you considered why that term is misunderstood and ill-defined? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #33

Semi-automatics have been around for decades. Kaleva Oct 2017 #34

Can you conceive of the color red? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #35

Your arguing in circles isn't going to be effective on me. Kaleva Oct 2017 #36

re: "Wouldn't it make sense to adapt a definition that addresses your main complaint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #37

The term assault weapon is going to stay around. It's not going away. Kaleva Oct 2017 #38

I can really appreciate having a well defined term discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #39

My proposed definition isn't going to be adopted by anyone Kaleva Oct 2017 #40

For some, it would be any weapon not The Mouth Oct 2017 #32

What is the point of another artificial definition? ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #41

The term "assault weapon" is in very common use. Kaleva Nov 2017 #42

And whatever made-up definition used back then ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #46

Any semi-automatic firearm with a removable magazine. Simple, short, easy. flamin lib Nov 2017 #43

"Simple, short, easy." And impossible. But by all means try for your 'Prohibition 3.0' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #44