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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
40. Culture warriors, Right *or* Left, don't handle 'inconvenient' information very well
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:01 PM
Feb 2018

"NRA talking point(s)" is functionally no different from "fake news"-
they merely arise from different factions in response to something percieved as 'threatening
and/or harmful to the general good'.

The "general good", of course, will have a 1:1 coincidence to whatever the claimant believes.

And if and when whatever it is they wan't doesn't come about, well it's *always* some
nefarious conspiracy that stopped it.

Because it's simply unpossible that their cause isn't as popular as they think it is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

In psychology, the false-consensus effect or false-consensus bias is an attributional type of cognitive bias whereby people tend to overestimate the extent to which their opinions, beliefs, preferences, values, and habits are normal and typical of those of others (i.e., that others also think the same way that they do).[1] This cognitive bias tends to lead to the perception of a consensus that does not exist, a "false consensus".

This false consensus is significant because it increases self-esteem (overconfidence effect). It can be derived from a desire to conform and be liked by others in a social environment. This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way. The false-consensus effect is not restricted to cases where people believe that their values are shared by the majority, but it still manifests as an overestimate of the extent of their belief. For example, fundamentalists do not necessarily believe that the majority of people share their views, but their estimates of the number of people who share their point of view will tend to exceed the actual number.

Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.


All that aside, if I were the NRA, I would be absolutely delighted if attempts to ban pump/slide and lever
action long arms were to get more traction- even those gun owners that dislike semi-automatics would feel threatened,
much as you said.


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Gun porn is disgusting. And these days totally tone deaf. What a shocker! Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #1
+ a zillion NRaleighLiberal Feb 2018 #2
Thanks. Gunner logic is just plain weird. Where is Dr. Spock when you need him? Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #5
A pump action, in my view, is much better then a semi-auto Kaleva Feb 2018 #3
Whatever. Not much difference when you are dead, or grieving for the dead. Is it? Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #4
The AWB only banned semi-automatics. Did you support the AWB? Kaleva Feb 2018 #6
Here you go, post your gunnerjabber here: Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #7
I ask you again. Did you support the AWB which only banned semi-autos? Kaleva Feb 2018 #8
I'm confused. In that thread you refer people here. Here you refer people there. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #39
Why are you trying to silence people educating themselves on this? krispos42 Feb 2018 #9
Gun control advocacy draws self-appointed witchfinders the way Trump draws racists and idiots friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #19
You mean like the way gun slaughters bring out gun-humper trolls? Squinch Feb 2018 #21
There's a reason I don't hold these types of spittle flecked, self-righteous tirades against you lot friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #22
13 hours ago, you wrote muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #23
When someone not a member of DU management attempts to act as if they were... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #25
Bullshit. A post commented about gun porn muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #28
Then alert on it if you feel so strongly about the matter. It'll either get pulled or it won't friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #29
It clearly doesn't break the SOP of the group Kaleva Feb 2018 #32
Yeah, that's back to the gun porn muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #33
How about "legitimate interest" for target competition? oneshooter Feb 2018 #35
Where did I say I like it? Kaleva Feb 2018 #36
The OP is central to the debate on an AWB. Straw Man Feb 2018 #37
Culture warriors, Right *or* Left, don't handle 'inconvenient' information very well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #40
No hide from me. n/t demmiblue Feb 2018 #38
So that's a yes? Squinch Feb 2018 #24
'Ask the Administrators' awaits your question/requests: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #26
I see it is a yes. Squinch Feb 2018 #31
All the accessories and parts for a regular AR-15 can be used on this one. krispos42 Feb 2018 #10
And nobody, except for the fringe, is talking about banning or even regulating pump actions. Kaleva Feb 2018 #11
Wait until they look scary... krispos42 Feb 2018 #13
MLK was murdered with a pump-action rifle samir.g Feb 2018 #12
Pump actions are not the weapon of choice for mass shooters. Kaleva Feb 2018 #14
They will be if we ban only semi-auto weapons samir.g Feb 2018 #15
What's your recommendation? Straw Man Feb 2018 #17
At ban anything that had a large magazine and can fire rapidly samir.g Feb 2018 #18
So ... 18th century technology? Straw Man Feb 2018 #20
The thing is that ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #16
the child's voice, briefly in the background . . . FraDon Feb 2018 #27
It adds a touch of authentic obscenity (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #34
That doesn't sound like Keanu Reeves samir.g Feb 2018 #30
A glimpse of the future Always Right Feb 2018 #41
They want to ban those also, 17rd magazine. n/t oneshooter Feb 2018 #42
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