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In reply to the discussion: Kids and Guns: Shootings now the 3rd-leading cause of death for US Children [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,606 posts)79. America is a country of momentous innovation
I fundamentally believe that our founding documents are inspiring. You can tell from the acceptance of the rest of the world that the idea of concise guiding principles is a major advancement over prior governments. The Bill of Rights was passed over 225 years ago. It hasn't been changed since. The 14A has come along to kind of expand the restrictions to state governments but nothing in the BoR has been removed.
There will always be those with a design to blame the weapon and ban it. Here is what I see as simple deductive reasoning:
Step 1- An unbalanced angry person with unchecked rage and enough resources to be dangerous feels slighted. (Although the pro-ban folks won't see it, this is the place to start. Addressing the causes for violence is a major key.)
Step 2- Many folks feel ignored by the world or those around them. Many folks with certain disorders are especially offended when they perceive that no one wants to hear their complaints or ideas. I can't stress this enough because it is a source of anger and an opportunity for defusing it. (I worry about what might happen if the world starts to ignore trump.) The unhealthy combination of being ignored or unvalued professionally or personally or both is a trigger. I can't believe many staunch Democrats don't see this.
Step 3- Often the families and friends of these folks avoid them. It's not always a failing of the close F&Fs since our society has demanded more money and more work from us all. We have gone from a time when many families had 1 job and 3 or more children to where families often have 1 or 2 children and 3 or more jobs. Many people don't have time to listen or be social. The cues that would be noticed and obvious can be missed by busy people lacking in any regular time to interact.
Step 4- Being ignored and undervalued also gives focus to an enemy. Maybe a spouse, a workplace, a school or some surrogate group or location to blame a rejection real or perceived.
Step 5- There aren't that many arsonists out there. There aren't that many chemists or biologists out there. Targeted murders tend to be shootings. Especially when planned ahead. The Las Vegas bastard planned ahead. Most of these folks want the attention they feel they lack. They think along the lines of making society unable to brush them off. Maybe they leave a rambling letter of complaint. Maybe they've gone beyond that and feel their issues are obvious and just would to inflict the pain they feel.
Step 6- If someone wants to inflict pain and injury, they most likely aren't thinking of spending a few years mastering boxing, martial arts or swordsmanship. The same thing that makes a gun an ideal means of self-defense makes it a good choice for murder.
Step 7- The reasons for choosing an AR (or other assault weapon rifle) are logical. A rifle amy often be a subconscious choice because a larger weapon may be harder to ignore. A rifle has a substantial feel to it. The personal power trip the killer plans also may often include the need to scare the hell out of his targets. Honestly the bigger the weapon the scarier. Some rifles are scary looking. I've read some pro-"control" folks say that if they can't be banned to paint them pink with a Hello Kitty design. An AR or AK looks scarier than a Walther PPK. Just my opinion. ARs are currently about the most popular selling rifle in the country.
Conclusion- If someone wants to inflict pain and fear, they will often choose a long gun which they perceive as scary as a weapon. This isn't universal but apparently very common. This won't stop if scary rifles are not available. The killer will move on to another means. In some cases they may build their own weapon. The Bath Michigan killer was angry at his whole town. He lost an election. He decided that he could inflict the most pain by killing the whole town through murdering all of its children. It would seem to me to be a mind-crushing thought that my whole community would die off and be a ghost town because almost every child was murdered.
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Kids and Guns: Shootings now the 3rd-leading cause of death for US Children [View all]
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
OP
If those kids were armed they'd stop the other kid criminals accidentally shooting them!
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
#2
As we can see, factual accuracy is not a priority in gun control advocacy
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#13
Handguns severally restricted to police, armed guards and remote wildlife areas.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2018
#27
You'd rather have dead kids than give up your killing weapons? Seems un-neighborly
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
#72
"un-neighborly"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Folksy_posturing
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#74
He did cut the receiver in half later, apparently-but only after people pointed out what you said...
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#75
(behind illnesses and unintentional injuries like drownings or car crashes).
EX500rider
Feb 2018
#12
Why start the OP off with a lie? The CDC and government aren't banned from collecting data
linuxman
Feb 2018
#14
FWIW I think DU doesn't respond correctly to links with parentheses.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Feb 2018
#17
I debunk your falsehood in this previous post. GOP and NRA are AFRAID of gun data.
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
#29
Simple: ban assault weapons. If you think it's too hard, ban all semiautomatics. A ban with teeth.
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
#47
Hey an NRA talking point! Whatabout a barrel stock magazine clip silencer sight stock bolt lever...
sharedvalues
Feb 2018
#59
Ritually chanting a slogan like "NRA talking point(s)", or "fake news" *isn't* a counterargument
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#68
Using the phrase "talking point" reduces a complex discussion to the level of secular Bible-quoting.
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#66
"NRA talking points" is the functional equivalent of "fake news": a thought-terminating cliche...
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2018
#65
The loons on the right will just say Yeah, & the leading cause is abortion. nt
MadDAsHell
Feb 2018
#26
"The number is based on data taken from 20122014 for children up to the age of 17"
EX500rider
Feb 2018
#35