Gun Control & RKBA

appal_jack

(3,813 posts) Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:37 AM Feb 2018

A revolver on its own would have been inadequate. [View all]

Last edited Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)

I recommend that all DU'ers discussing gun issues and possible bans watch the full video (shared below) and read the full article at this link:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/tina-ring-ashley-lee-mom-daughter-tulsa-robbery-video/

I'll excerpt the allowed number of paragraphs, and provide some comments to get the discussion started.

A mother and daughter fought off a robber armed with a sawed-off shotgun at their family’s liquor store, shooting him multiple times before he fled, police say. The harrowing incident was caught on the store’s security cameras.

The daughter is seen working the register and the mother is initially off-screen when the robber enters brandishing a sawed-off shotgun. The women are then seen putting their hands up and otherwise peacefully complying with the robber as empties the register of its cash. He moves off screen, presumably exiting the store, but inexplicably returns, perhaps wanting to steal more. By this time, the younger woman has retrieved a revolver from under the counter and handed it to her mother, and also retrieved a small-caliber (perhaps .380?) semi-automatic pistol for herself.

Tina Ring, 53, and her daughter, Ashley Lee, 30, were working at Forest Acres Liquor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on February 22 when the incident occurred. Police say the suspect, Tyrone Lee, checked himself in to a local hospital with four gunshot wounds and is expected to survive.

Both women shot Lee during the incident, police said.

“I think I’m still in shock,” Tina Ring told the Tulsa World on Saturday. “I don’t think I have really processed everything yet.”

The suspect is believed to be connected to a string of several armed robberies in the area in recent weeks, police said.

Tyrone's sawed-off shotgun was apparently unloaded, or this event could have turned out much more tragically. Nonetheless, the larger and stronger man was able to wrestle-away the revolver from the mother, fortunately only after she had emptied it of its ~5 rounds. But by that time, Tyrone had been hit at least twice with bullets fired by the women.

Tina Ring told the Tulsa World, “I didn’t want him to hurt my daughter. That was my main thought.” She said they tried to give him the money and get him out of the store, but then he came back.

“All I was thinking was ‘Just give him the money and go,’ and next thing I know, I see him back in my face,” Ring told the newspaper.

Ashley Lee told ABC News, her mother, “was all I could think about,” during the horrifying experience. During an interview Sunday, Ring said that Lee, “saved my life,” and her daughter responded, tears in her eyes, “you saved my life.”

These women acted as safely and responsibly as I could ever imagine. They initially complied with the assailant, they called 911 as soon as they could. They only fired their own weapons when the assailant reinitiated contact. And yet, a full load of a revolver was not enough to even slow the assailant down, and the rounds from the semi-automatic pistol were what allowed the two women to escape with their lives.

I'd really like to hear from the DU Chairborne Commando Brigade (Virtue Signaling Division) who have been telling me for over a week now that a revolver is plenty of protection, and that all semi-autos need to be banned...

Full video (graphic):

-app

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A revolver on its own would have been inadequate. [View all] appal_jack Feb 2018 OP

Police carried .38s regularly into the 1980s exboyfil Feb 2018 #1

A shopkeeper (or anyone) has the right to stop an assault. appal_jack Feb 2018 #4

All it takes is one well-aimed bullet PJMcK Feb 2018 #2

Another thought PJMcK Feb 2018 #3

And yet, your first response was snark. appal_jack Feb 2018 #6

Two points PJMcK Feb 2018 #7

Thanks. appal_jack Feb 2018 #19

Cheers! (n/t) PJMcK Feb 2018 #23

What is the caliber of the revolver? I don't see that mentioned in the article. TexasProgresive Feb 2018 #5

The mother did as well as the average NYC police officer. appal_jack Feb 2018 #8

Having the required (for NYCPD use) 12# trigger does not help. n/t oneshooter Feb 2018 #10

What is a 12# trigger? packman Feb 2018 #12

Probably refers to a 12-pound trigger pull. Paladin Feb 2018 #13

I believe it is a measure of the amount of force needed marked50 Feb 2018 #16

Close. Straw Man Feb 2018 #25

Similar to a DA revolver though, yes? appal_jack Feb 2018 #22

Also, a .380 is a 9mm with less powder behind it. appal_jack Feb 2018 #11

So what is the caliber of the revolver? Nothing I've seen on a search gives that info. TexasProgresive Feb 2018 #18

I consulted several other articles, and did not see calibers mentioned. appal_jack Feb 2018 #20

So this really is a weak argument pro v con TexasProgresive Feb 2018 #21

On The Walking Dead.. AZ8theist Feb 2018 #9

Yeah, but only those evil, guided, AR-15 assault bullets. nt appal_jack Feb 2018 #17

They needed SUPERTRUMP to rush in packman Feb 2018 #14

He'd-a-done-it, even without any gun! ;-) nt appal_jack Feb 2018 #15

Well, A Revolver IS a Semi-Auto, Assuming It Is Double Action! DoctorJoJo Feb 2018 #24

Close, but not quite. appal_jack Feb 2018 #26

DAO. Straw Man Mar 2018 #31

There Are Some Amazing Exhibitions of Quick Firing/Reloading a Revolver on Target DoctorJoJo Mar 2018 #46

And if the mother's gun had more bullets Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #27

The perp would never have reached her. appal_jack Feb 2018 #30

One incident proves everything. HopeAgain Feb 2018 #28

Your zero actual counterpoints sure have convinced me! nt appal_jack Mar 2018 #32

There are thousands of videos on YouTube showing people not getting robbed at gunpoint. Kaleva Mar 2018 #49

If death of the perp is the desired result tazkcmo Feb 2018 #29

Have you watched the video or read the article? appal_jack Mar 2018 #34

Yes, both. tazkcmo Mar 2018 #35

Hopefully, we can find some common ground. appal_jack Mar 2018 #36

No. No deal. tazkcmo Mar 2018 #37

We will agree to disagree, then. appal_jack Mar 2018 #38

I'll bet your assault weapon tazkcmo Mar 2018 #40

If Americans are sick and tired of seeing their children gunned down at school... spin Mar 2018 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #33

Apparently the exact kind of ammunition matters samir.g Mar 2018 #39

Bad guy should not have had the shotgun samir.g Mar 2018 #41

We could save 15-50K lives a year by banning heroin gejohnston Mar 2018 #42

Thank you for reiterating NRA talking points for me samir.g Mar 2018 #43

not a valid argument, gejohnston Mar 2018 #44

a label is not an argument discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #45

So you ban firearms and you think criminals who aren't allowed to own firearms.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #47