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Straw Man

(6,839 posts)
39. Hmm ...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:55 PM
Aug 2018
When I would shoot my dad's Winchester model 70 in 30.06, it would just about take my arm off. When I shot the M16, it was like plinking with a .22.

Both of those statements are hyperbolic to the point of irrationality. The recoil energy of .22LR in an average rifle is .2; the recoil energy of .223 in a relatively light rifle is 3.9, or twenty times that of the .22LR; the recoil energy of lightly loaded .30-06 is 10.2, or about two-and-a-half times that of the .223. The .223 is much closer to the .30-06 than it is to the .22LR.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

In other words, if a .223 feels like a .22 to you, then you should have no problem with a .30-06.

The particular genius of the .223/5.56 is that this much smaller but faster bullet causes such catastrophic damage - reading the autopsy reports out of Vegas and such, with doctor's comments that it was common for a bullet to hit in the upper chest, and come out the butt, destroying everything in between.

As would pretty much any centerfire rifle round. The high speed and light weight of the .223 bullet make it less apt to penetrate, and more likely to yaw and fragment on contact. The wounds it causes are indeed severe, but that is not due to the type of penetration you describe.

Thom Hartmann, for instance, advocates a ban on everything semi-auto, but I don't think that's especially useful. That would ban everything from the 20th c. pretty much, and I don't think banning Ruger 10/22's, M1 Garands or the Colt 1911 is needed. The .223/5.56 is its own special nasty case though. For that, a case can be made.

And what would you do about reloaders who create their own reduced-power loads for the .30-06 and .308 cartridges to minimize recoil, facilitating rapid fire of their Garands and M1As? Would you ban that as well?

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Gunsplaining to conservatives [View all] 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 OP
Today's infantry doesn't have full auto rifles. flamin lib Aug 2018 #1
Yeah, bitd, the M16 I shot in basic had the full auto option 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #4
All branches except ship board Navy which flamin lib Aug 2018 #5
Heh 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #6
DC... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #17
three round burst, gejohnston Aug 2018 #13
The Army has dumped the 3 round burst for the most part Alea Sep 2018 #42
Were you planning to get to a point? needledriver Aug 2018 #2
Sorry if it didn't come across 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #3
Of course it is - not. needledriver Aug 2018 #7
Well, I think I'm adding clarity. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #8
The M14 has a selector switch needledriver Aug 2018 #10
As mentioned 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #12
That's as may be. needledriver Aug 2018 #15
Not all M14's had the selector removed Alea Sep 2018 #43
So ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #9
Querulous much? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #11
Erroneous much? Straw Man Aug 2018 #35
Of course it is - Stephen Paddock couldn't have shot 600 people in 10 minutes with a .30 caliber rif gejohnston Aug 2018 #16
about gunsplaining: gejohnston Aug 2018 #14
You're just not understanding the process discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #18
Usual conservative chaff 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #22
Reminds me of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #24
Yeah, ge, you're right. flamin lib Aug 2018 #23
You clearly missed the point gejohnston Aug 2018 #28
You certainly are full of yourself. flamin lib Aug 2018 #29
everything you said gejohnston Aug 2018 #30
Oh, I see, flamin lib Aug 2018 #31
Don't look too honestly in a mirror. oneshooter Aug 2018 #32
The 7.62x 39 AK round is NOT a shortened 7.62X54R cartridge. oneshooter Aug 2018 #19
First insert magic wand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #20
Same caliber, shorter cartridge with less powder. 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #21
You were wrong. oneshooter Aug 2018 #27
regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #25
This issue has been rendered moot, of course, J_William_Ryan Aug 2018 #26
There are undoubtedly a good number of gun owners who voted for Trump... spin Aug 2018 #34
So its not a machine gun. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #33
recoil the rub, gun headaches may result jimmy the one Aug 2018 #36
you're opinion here would be interesting discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2018 #37
Thanks for the thoughtful reply 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #38
Hmm ... Straw Man Aug 2018 #39
You do specialize with strawman arguments, don't you? 1cheapbeemr Aug 2018 #40
You don't know what a straw man argument is, apparently. Straw Man Aug 2018 #41
5.56 vs 7.62 jimmy the one Sep 2018 #45
The 5.56 is not a good short range SD ammo discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2018 #46
This post is why people that can't gunsplain shouldn't gunsplain Alea Sep 2018 #44
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