Gun Control & RKBA

LaMouffette

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6. Unfortunately, I think trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment would only help Republican politicians.

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 07:06 PM

Mar 2021

They already whip Republican voters into a frenzy by telling them the Dems want to take their guns away.

I think a more round-about way of getting stricter gun control laws might work:

1. Repeal Citizens United.
2. Do a scorched-earth campaign finance reform, so that the best candidate wins, not the best-financed candidate.
3. Make all lobbying illegal. All of it.

So, basically, don't make it illegal to own a gun. Make it illegal to own a politician. Then and only then might Republican Congress members feel capable of doing the right thing instead of doing the thing that gets them elected or that lines their pockets.

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Would a "Repeal the 2nd Amendment" movement... [View all] AnrothElf Mar 2021 OP

Hurt. mzmolly Mar 2021 #1

Wouldn't that require SCOTUS weighing in? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #9

Help illegal smile Mar 2021 #2

I agree mainstream would be better AnrothElf Mar 2021 #10

Uh-huh. Straw Man Mar 2021 #84

Hurt or help what? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #3

To enact sane, reasonable restrictions AnrothElf Mar 2021 #11

No way 2/3 of the states vote for it. CanonRay Mar 2021 #4

It would be futile - and harmful. Nt hack89 Mar 2021 #5

How would it be harmful? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #12

It would endanger Democratic control of the Senate hack89 Mar 2021 #13

Why not ban all guns, though? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #16

Because I enjoy my guns for one thing. hack89 Mar 2021 #17

You're right, they won't AnrothElf Mar 2021 #20

Please show me what countries require all guns to be stored in armories. hack89 Mar 2021 #22

You're right, it's not, anymore AnrothElf Mar 2021 #27

There were armories hack89 Mar 2021 #31

They could be used that way, though, right? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #32

Sure, in some fantasy world. hack89 Mar 2021 #35

Long games involve remote goals. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #36

The problem with disarming folks is ManiacJoe Mar 2021 #69

Are you really talking about Good Guys and Bad Guys? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #74

Let's call them People Who Do Bad Things. Straw Man Mar 2021 #85

Sure if you can disarm all criminals 1st...otherwise I prefer my right to defend my home. EX500rider Mar 2021 #72

Ooooo the Mexican boogie man AnrothElf Mar 2021 #79

Sure avoid the point.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #80

They will have no choice if guns are banned AnrothElf Mar 2021 #83

The thing about criminals is they don't follow the law EX500rider Mar 2021 #90

Ummm, convicted criminals ARE banned from owning guns... yagotme Mar 2021 #97

When have criminals EVER been disarmed, ANYWHERE, or ANY-TIME? RotorHead May 2021 #107

Well, let's continue down this "thought" highway... yagotme Mar 2021 #26

I'm sorry for your prospective future inconvenience AnrothElf Mar 2021 #29

So, it's OK to inconvienience me for the deeds of another, through no fault of mine? yagotme Mar 2021 #33

My hobbies have already been on the lists. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #34

I addressed this upthread in #26. yagotme Mar 2021 #41

Yes, it is. And in part because the toxic culture. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #45

So, you really think that repealing one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights... yagotme Mar 2021 #50

I don't think it's a slippery slope kinda thing. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #51

No slope at all sarisataka Mar 2021 #53

So because the police violate the 4A as they have been doing for years in the War on Drugs... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #54

Who are the individuals in your "we disarm the populace" comment... yagotme Mar 2021 #98

lol! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #64

And there it is. nt Hawker123 Mar 2021 #61

welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2021 #92

Banning all guns is not the ultimate mzmolly Mar 2021 #55

It's not a bad goal, though, is it? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #57

It's futile. mzmolly Mar 2021 #63

There's a fantasy book by S. M. Stirling called "Dies the Fire" in which something like that happens Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #68

"Wouldn't that be an objectively GOOD thing?" EX500rider Mar 2021 #73

What is the solution now? Fear mongering... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #75

Disarming all the law-abiding citizens EX500rider Mar 2021 #77

Disarming everyone means that AnrothElf Mar 2021 #78

I've never needed my fire extinguisher yet yet I have one EX500rider Mar 2021 #81

What a horrible analogy. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #82

You're missing something. Straw Man Mar 2021 #86

Perfect analogy something you need during an emergency EX500rider Mar 2021 #91

There are other gangs other than Mexican. yagotme Mar 2021 #99

You haven't looked very hard, I see. RotorHead May 2021 #108

Unfortunately, I think trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment would only help Republican politicians. LaMouffette Mar 2021 #6

Rube Goldberg would be proud illegal smile Mar 2021 #7

How would you accomplish #3? RotorHead May 2021 #106

You stumped me! I was going to say, "Just do whatever they do in Europe!" but then found out LaMouffette May 2021 #112

Interesting concept. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #113

A good first step would be to repeal the Gun Industry Immunity Law. sop Mar 2021 #8

Sounds like a good first step! AnrothElf Mar 2021 #14

You can sue gun manufacturers if they break the law hack89 Mar 2021 #15

Effects of the PLCAA of 2005: sop Mar 2021 #18

Can you list the 6 circumstances that the PLCAA allows you to sue gun manufacturers? hack89 Mar 2021 #19

Doesn't this tell us that legislative and judicial solutions won't work? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #21

The 2A is irrelevant to the conversation hack89 Mar 2021 #23

Bans on individual carry are AnrothElf Mar 2021 #30

Read Heller hack89 Mar 2021 #37

And that right could be preserved, if desired AnrothElf Mar 2021 #40

If you can't pass gun control the 2A allows hack89 Mar 2021 #42

That's why I framed the original question the way I did AnrothElf Mar 2021 #43

Maybe my grandkids will benefit from it hack89 Mar 2021 #46

I am worrying about it FOR my grandkids AnrothElf Mar 2021 #48

Incorrect. RotorHead Mar 2021 #58

So tell me what it does say. Nt hack89 Mar 2021 #60

Under the PLCAA the gun industry cannot be held liable for the damages resulting from negligence, sop Mar 2021 #24

But how are they negligent? hack89 Mar 2021 #25

You obviously believe the gun industry bears no civil liablity for the sale of lethal products that sop Mar 2021 #38

That logic can also apply to brewers and distillers hack89 Mar 2021 #39

If negligence can be proven, then the public has the right to sue brewers. That's how it works. sop Mar 2021 #47

Correction. Straw Man Mar 2021 #87

If I drive 90 MPH down the road, yagotme Mar 2021 #28

Congress has not granted Chevy, or the entire automotive industry, immunity from civil litigation. sop Mar 2021 #44

Yes, they can be sued. yagotme Mar 2021 #49

It's not just "making a defective product," there are many other things manufacturers or sellers sop Mar 2021 #52

Wrong again. Straw Man Mar 2021 #88

Huh?! RotorHead Mar 2021 #59

"The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, or PLCAA, grants broad immunity from liability sop Mar 2021 #62

Your error.... RotorHead Mar 2021 #66

Your error is in confusing the debate over negligence with the right of citizens to sue. sop Mar 2021 #67

Apologies for the late reply.... RotorHead May 2021 #105

Yes. mzmolly Mar 2021 #56

So many people don't seem to understand. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #65

Futile, would hurt Democrats. The Mouth Mar 2021 #70

Good advice: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #71

Fuck Karl Marx AnrothElf Mar 2021 #76

Such stunning eloquence. Straw Man Mar 2021 #89

LOL The Mouth Mar 2021 #93

I'm more of a gun eliminatist... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #94

We've noticed The Mouth Mar 2021 #95

My contempt is the same for gun-worshippers AnrothElf Mar 2021 #96

Hah! RotorHead May 2021 #104

Actually, this is complicated looking at the big picture. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #100

Groups/articles backing 2d amendment repeal: yagotme Apr 2021 #101

I'm not sure why the thread author is ignoring both of my replies. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #102

What hurts, though, is our Party members, yagotme Apr 2021 #103

Many Democrats favor at least to some degree the spirit of "defund the police". discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #111

I believe there is a need for "police". yagotme May 2021 #114

I don't support ending police departments. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #115

No argument whatsoever. n/t yagotme May 2021 #116

I am going to guess that many melm00se May 2021 #109

Urban dwellers in many cases I suppose. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #110