Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Illinois judge rules FOID card 'unconstitutional' [View all]yagotme
(4,036 posts)"---firearms are "products" and are subject to tax just as nearly all products are, but the RIGHT to own a firearm is not "taxed". "
Again, the FOID card is a requirement in IL to own a firearm. Has nothing to do with the firearm itself, it is a "fee" (tax) paid by the individual for "permission" from the government to "keep" an arm.
"---the "delays" now complained of are due in large part to covid, just like the delays in receiving new license plates or in filing our taxes."
You wanted others to read my post, but you obviously didn't. Not entirely. You skipped the part about delays for the FOID (and CCW cards) being pre-Covid, and the lawsuits started prior to Covid. It's a staffing issue, the State Police not hiring enough people to handle the caseload.
"---I can't respond to "outright denied due to your location" because I am unaware that has ever happened---i.e. "You cannot own a firearm because you live in BLANK County."
All 50 states have some type of concealed carry law, but some are "May Issue". Which means, you can be denied for any, or no, reason at all. Look up requirements for purchasing a gun in NY City, for example. Nearly impossible for the layman. Chicago had bans until recently, getting slapped by the USSC changed that (McDonald vs Chicago).
"---it is not that the 2nd Amendment means "so little" to me; it is just that there are other rights to be considered and the current out-of-context interpretation of the "right to bear arms" is contrary to about a century's worth of prior SCOTUS rulings and was essentially "purchased" by the efforts of right wing extremists over several decades."
"Other rights to be considered..." Well, we're discussing the 2d, so which rights do you feel take precedent over it in this discussion? You want my exact opinion on this subject, but have given little of your own on how things should be done. Results, and how they are implemented, would be nice.
"---I have not even suggested that any right be denied to anyone. I know that doesn't "fit" with your contrivance, but it is the truth. I simply disagree with your view that denial of the sacred "right to bear arms" to anyone---such as those on the "no fly" list, those adjudicated mentally incompetent or those LEGALLY blind---is impermissible."
You know, that "no fly" list wasn't exactly anything to write home about. You could get on the list, not know you're on the list, until you tried to get on an airplane, and have little in the way to get yourself removed. Re: Ted Kennedy. He was on it. Name similarity. And, if you read my post a little closer, I believe I did cover the mentally incompetent aspect (failure to fully read, again?). I also stated my list was to be expounded on, and was giving just an initial bare-bones starting point.
ETA: And as far as your statement of "that any right be denied to anyone", your post #4 spoke volumes to this. I could hear the condescending tone over the keyboard.