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Decoy of Fenris

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37. The problem, Andy, is that the 'real' answers to violence aren't easy and we all know it.
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 08:15 PM
Jul 2021

Specifically focusing on -GUN- violence as opposed to 'violence' in general is your very first mistake, because at that point you're not looking for a solution to violence; you're looking for a solution to guns.

Violence, in all its forms, stems from a lack of needs or perceived needs, lack of opportunity, often lack of education, or indoctrination into violent philosophies (Right-wing militias, gangs, et cet.) Often, that indoctrination comes part and parcel with the lacking needs mentioned beforehand; If you truly want to reduce violence across the board, both gun and otherwise, we need to focus on pouring resources into social programs that will reduce the feelings of helplessness or powerlessness that many criminals feel. In time, perhaps a generation or two down the line, you'd see a steady drop in violence across the board.

But that's a tall order with no immediate tangible benefit, so it doesn't mesh well with the "DO SOMETHING NOW!" crowd. It'd take decades. It'd be hard work. It'd require a systemic overhaul the likes of which probably haven't been attempted since FDR, and "Raise people from poverty and criminality" doesn't draw campaign funds like "Ban guns". We know this, which is why it's patently laughable when people tout Gun Control as anything more than a masturbatory feel-good hobby.

Let's set that on the back burner for a moment though. If you want a dialogue about actual 'gun control' that may reduce gun violence, I can tell you now; There's no such thing. The most practical way to lower the amount of gun crime -on paper- would be a blanket ban on most modern handguns. But if you ban handguns, people will use something else; Shotguns. Ban shotguns, they'll use rifles. Ban rifles, and at that point you've banned literally every gun and those people will still make their own, 3d print them, or use pipe guns. Hell, there's very viable air-powered rifles out there right now, I guess we'd have to ban those, as well as airsoft or paintball guns that can be converted to fire lethal ammo. That isn't hyperbole, by the by; There's hundreds of non-firearm "Firearms" that can do just as good a job killing as conventional guns.

Andy, Gun Control was never the solution. It's a series of shitty band-aids for a systemic failing of society's most vulnerable, and until that failing is addressed and overcome, what you seek will never come to fruition. That's why it's so hard to have an honest dialogue about 'Gun Control'; Your fundamental premise, that 'Gun control' will stop crime/gun crime, is wrong. But you need to work with us. You say 'Who better than someone who knows guns'. This is someone who knows guns, who knows criminals, and knows that what you're trying to accomplish is noble but futile.



Now, gun safety and accidents, that's an -entirely- different kettle of fish. I can't speak for the millions of other gun owners out there, but if someone makes a display of gross mismanagement of a firearm around me, damn right they're getting called out on it. Twice I've experienced such; My ex-Mother In Law pointed a shotgun at me 'in jest' and I damn near ripped her a new one, calling her out. I think it's the first time anyone's spoken up to her like that, but she heeded, apologized, and stowed the gun in its safe.

Second time, my old man misfired a pistol in the house. We had a long sit down, highlighting the gravity of what just happened, and I calmly told him that if he couldn't safely manage his guns, then my daughter wouldn't be allowed to visit him. He then showed me his security for when my daughter visited; Gun locks on all guns, locked in a gun safe, in a locked closet.

Gun safety's no joke and I 100% feel that if your gun is capable of firing (Most of mine aren't), it should be locked away unless you're actively using it. I also think a program to subsidize high-quality gun safes by the government would be a positive step forward. Too many shitty knock-off gun safes can be broken into with a stick or a twig, but again, that's the price of 'gun control'; The shitty knockoffs technically meet the 'Gun safe' requirement by law, so rather than be safely stowed, a gun is instead put into the equivalent of a lunchbox. Don't legislate gun safes, incentivize them with tax breaks or subsidization.

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Now they are saying it outloud, an unfired gun is just no fun! sanatanadharma Jul 2021 #1
If one is participating in recreational shooting, that does neccesitate shooting firearms, yes? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #4
A child would certainly want to play with it. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #2
Horrible idea DashOneBravo Jul 2021 #3
Poor reporting sarisataka Jul 2021 #5
Thank you for the update. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #6
No, extraordinarily poor judgment by a gun manufacturer. Paladin Jul 2021 #7
I blame the reporter sarisataka Jul 2021 #8
You're making my day. Many thanks. (nt) Paladin Jul 2021 #9
As I discovered when discussing this story in GD, simply pointing out facts is cause for being Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #11
Big difference between pointing out facts and deflecting blame. Paladin Jul 2021 #12
In that thread, I was asked what impact the "Lego gun" would have on shootings commited by toddlers. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #13
My comment was with regard to comments in this thread. Paladin Jul 2021 #14
Fair enough. Regarding the comments in this thread, then: How does pointing out an inaccurate Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #15
Hang on to that "inaccurate headline" angle all you want. Paladin Jul 2021 #16
I agree that the cease and desist letter made the manufacture of this kit moot. But nowhere have I Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #17
Utah Company Suspends Lego Handgun Case Kits Sales After Cease And Desist Eugene Jul 2021 #10
Does not bother me too much EX500rider Jul 2021 #18
I know. Not much bothers a gunner. No matter that 40-50 toddlers shoot themselves AndyS Jul 2021 #19
Fact: all firearms regardless of color should be safely secured around children EX500rider Jul 2021 #20
So when you can convince your gunner comrades to AndyS Jul 2021 #21
I am only responsible for firearms I might own, strangers will do whatever they do. EX500rider Jul 2021 #22
I see. While you don't see yourself as part of the problem AndyS Jul 2021 #23
Anymore then I feel responsible for strangers who DUI because I also own a car. EX500rider Jul 2021 #24
Ok, let me lower the heat that I brought to this. AndyS Jul 2021 #25
If I might jump in.... Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #27
Thanks for that but you seem to have missed the point. AndyS Jul 2021 #28
What exactly are you asking for? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #29
*Sigh* I've told you what I'm asking for. AndyS Jul 2021 #30
Gun people are already discussing gun safety, and always have been. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #31
Lather, rinse, repeat. After 40 years it gets tiring. Good day, sir. AndyS Jul 2021 #32
That's all you have? Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #33
If I might jump in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #35
I would certainly be open to private sellers having access to the NICS. Quite reasonable. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #36
The problem, Andy, is that the 'real' answers to violence aren't easy and we all know it. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2021 #37
Ah yes, standard gun talking point #23 (or somewhere) on the list of well rehearsed AndyS Jul 2021 #38
Well allrighty then. From your silence and after re-reading the up-thread posts AndyS Jul 2021 #26
It's just not a cause I feel I could do much to change how strangers store their guns. EX500rider Jul 2021 #34
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