Gun Control & RKBA

krispos42

(49,445 posts)

24. Nice try

Sat Aug 21, 2021, 01:04 PM

Aug 2021

I like how the anti-gun people keep tying gun ownership to militia service despite the fact that the text of the amendment CLEARLY says the opposite. There are exactly three entities in the 2nd Amendment text: the (well-regulated) Militia, the States, and the People, and only one of them has the right to keep and bear arms.

But then I point out that all males 17-45 are in the militia, and the response is "yeah, but that's not militia enough!"

The unorganized militia is exactly as regulated as Congress requires it to be. Not that is really matters, because people, not militia members, have the right to keep and bear arms.

States, as a sovereign governing organization, already have the right to have armed forces (e.g., a militia or the National Guard) and armed agents (police officers). Saying the 2nd Amendment is about "giving" states the right to have armed forces is simply incorrect.

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The only "well regulated militia" [View all] safeinOhio Jan 2021 OP

Disagree; we the people, all of us, need to be ready to defend our country. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #1

Then they all need safeinOhio Jan 2021 #2

"Well regulated" as intended, means that every citizen is trained, equipped, and prepared LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #3

When written it didn't mean women. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #4

Quibble all you want. If January 6 didn't wake you up, I won't argue with you. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #5

Because the NG is regulated, they can be cleaned up. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #7

Unless, of course, that the states pass something yagotme Feb 2021 #17

Of course. needledriver Jan 2021 #6

10 United States Code section 246... krispos42 Jan 2021 #8

Sounds like the old draft. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #9

Unorganized Militia? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha jimmy the one Aug 2021 #22

Nice try krispos42 Aug 2021 #24

There's this saying about repeating a lie. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2021 #25

12 justices for militia, 5 for individual jimmy the one Aug 2021 #26

Huh, well since there have been no SCOTUS decisions on this issue, I guess you're... wait a minute! krispos42 Aug 2021 #27

gun control side won last 7 of 8 presidential elections jimmy the one Aug 2021 #30

That's YOUR interpretation of original intent... krispos42 Aug 2021 #31

gun control makes marginal improvements jimmy the one Aug 2021 #32

At the expence of substantial setbacks elswhere. krispos42 Aug 2021 #33

Gun ownership charts, gss, gallup jimmy the one Aug 2021 #34

It's probably the deterioration of telephone polling krispos42 Aug 2021 #35

cruikshank; maybe 21 militia, 5 individual jimmy the one Aug 2021 #28

There's not much point in arguing about it ... HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2021 #10

So? Gun ownership is not linked to militia service hack89 Jan 2021 #11

The antigun (like all true believers, of any sort), have their 'articles of faith'- or... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #12

So now that trump's gone, that "well regulated militia" thing comes back into play. Paladin Jan 2021 #13

"You gun rights people sure were quiet..." About what? What do *you* think ought to have been said? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #14

You've dodged the question before: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #15

First, it's against DU rules to advocate for violence against the government krispos42 Feb 2021 #18

I'm proud to call my self a liberal...AND a gun owner. Rick Rolle Feb 2021 #19

I'm a liberal gun owner, myself. Paladin Feb 2021 #20

maybe 90 million gun owners jimmy the one Aug 2021 #23

Fortunately gun ownership is an individual right independent of militia service. Nt hack89 Feb 2021 #16

Both I, and the SCOTUS, agree with you. Rick Rolle Feb 2021 #21

I'll admit that the National Guard is more "well-regulated" than the unorganized militia... SYFROYH Aug 2021 #29