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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
22. Well, Democrats have abdicated protecting my civil right to bear arms
Fri Dec 31, 2021, 04:02 PM
Dec 2021

I don't want a Republican/originalist SCOTUS, but that's what your side gave us so I'll take what I can get. I mean, you flat-out state in this thread that your ultimate goal is to make private gun ownership a tightly-controlled privilege extended by the states.

And the firearms industry is a for-profit manufacturing sector just like any other. And if they're so rich, why is Remington in bankruptcy protection?


It took 20 years for the NRA and Gun industry to raise the death rate to world wide historical levels. It fell to just over 4/100,000 after the first control movement (the AWB and the Brady campaign) but since 2014 it's been climbing again. It's at 8/100,000 this year and in another two will be past the high point of 10/100,000 unless we make progress on curbing gun access.


Wow, there is so much wrong with this statement.

  1. Rifles (of all types) account for about 5% of gun-related homicides annually and 2.5% of homicides overall, a proportion that has been consistent for decades.

  2. Banning new sales of a subset of rifles can't lower the homicide rate by 50%, when rifles only account for 2.5% of all murders.

  3. Banning "assault weapons" in 1994 only banned future sales of "assault weapons". "Assault weapons" already owned by Sept. 14th, 1994 were legal and in circulation already.

  4. The number of "assault weapons" in circulation remained largely fixed during the 10-year period of the Federal AWB yet the homicide rate dropped in half.

  5. Since "assault weapons" were replaced with "almost but not quite assault weapons" in sales after Sept. 14th, 1994, the homicide rate should have stayed steady.

  6. The homicide rate been climbing the past decade or so despite some of the biggest states enacting more gun-controls laws after the Sandy Hook massacre.

  7. The major reason the murder rate took a dive in 1990 (4 years before the Federal AWB) was because a generation earlier women gained control over their reproductive organs via widespread availability and use of birth control: the Pill, the IUD, condoms, and abortion. Fewer children were born into social situations where a life of crime and poverty was likely. In the 1990's, as young violent criminals were killed, went legit, went to prison, or went on to non-violent crimes, they were not equally replaced by fresh, new up-and-coming violent teenagers.

  8. The minor reason was that at the same time women were controlling when, where, and how many kids to have, we also took lead products out of gasoline and paint. The levels of airborne lead plummeted and kid's toys and furnishings no longer had lead paint on them. The generation born after about 1974 wasn't poisoned with lead. Since lead poisoning makes kids dumb, short-sighted, and violent, there were fewer kids that saw street violence as a career and took another, more legit, direction.


    Your attempts to stop violence via the hardware method are not only ineffective, they are anti-effective because they prevent social progress.

    They prevent social progress because they put Republicans in charge, and Republicans are evil. They are kleptocratic theocrats whose social policies guarantee high crime rates.

    In fact, I'll be that the reason the crime rate is jumping up is that it's being driven by red states that, 15-20 years ago started to severely curtail birth control methods, abortion services, and comprehensive sex education. Now those unwanted kids being born into bad situations are becoming young adults, and young adults are the most likely to commit violent crimes.

    Why are those states red? The answer lies in your mirror.
crickets AndyS Dec 2021 #1
If voting rights can't get passed... LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #2
Yeah so lets just ignore the 40,000 or so people guns take from us AndyS Dec 2021 #3
Oh Andy, I just gave ya a statement of fact. LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #4
If that's the way you interpreted my response to your AndyS Dec 2021 #5
Gun control supporters are pretty irrelevant as well hack89 Dec 2021 #6
7 out of 8 ain't bad . . . AndyS Dec 2021 #7
But don't you need national legislation to solve gun violence? hack89 Dec 2021 #8
One step at a time. We are following the Gunner model AndyS Dec 2021 #9
So you are thinking very long term? hack89 Dec 2021 #10
All of them . . . AndyS Dec 2021 #11
Happy to see you are retaining your sense of humor hack89 Dec 2021 #12
Back atcha'. AndyS Dec 2021 #13
Not in my lifetime fortunately hack89 Dec 2021 #14
I don't know which is more sad, AndyS Dec 2021 #15
Except there have been "tipping points" every year hack89 Dec 2021 #16
If your best friend is a Republican supreme court and a money grubbing AndyS Dec 2021 #18
Ok. Nt hack89 Dec 2021 #19
Well, Democrats have abdicated protecting my civil right to bear arms krispos42 Dec 2021 #22
You are either completely misreading the indicators . . . Surf Fishing Guru Dec 2021 #17
Looks like you did a bad copy-paste of photo captions krispos42 Dec 2021 #21
Except now the Republicans control the governor's seat and the House of Delegates krispos42 Dec 2021 #20
Point of fact melm00se Jan 2022 #23
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