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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
21. Okay:
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 10:46 AM
Jun 2023

On point one: The background check isn't a background check. It is a partial criminal records search. 40% of reporting agencies don't because it's all voluntary. There are periods that the FBI can't issue a crime report because not enough agencies report data. Further the check doesn't look a social media that so often contains hate speech, threats and signals of self harm. Beyond that it doesn't contact the people who are most qualified to comment on the fitness of gun ownership: Family and Employer. Perhaps throw in LEO.

On point two: Leaping to the extreme of either/or, one/zero or guns/take all guns is a false choice. There are a host of things that can mitigate the carnage. Look at point one above. How about adding semi autos to the NFA list? How about safe storage laws? How about MADD approach to gun ownership?

Point 3: It seems that you are aware of what I've said already; there are laws against using guns in crime and enhanced sentences. That they aren't enforced is another issue, mostly funding. Take the ATF for instance. They are charged with policing the gun distribution system yet funding and staffing won't allow more than a small % of dealership inspections. When an executive order directs an action the NRA and NSSF is strong enough to pressure congress to defeat it. What, as a responsible gun owner, have you personally done to change that? Until the vast majority if gun owners like yourself get involved at the grass roots level it won't change and the whole issue of gun ownership will be under scrutiny.

Point 4: That's exactly what I've said. He shouldn't have had a gun but he did. He did for all the reasons I've given above.

Look, I don't give a lot of money to the anti violence movement but I give what I can. I promote my viewpoint here and other places whenever I can. I am active in bringing up gun violence AND gun safety legislation every opportunity I have. I attend demonstrations and add my number to the crowd. Join me on this. I'm not your enemy. Inaction is your enemy.

Here in Maine... Easterncedar Jun 2023 #1
I'm on the 'gun enthusiast' (or 'Gun humper') side of things here, but The Mouth Jun 2023 #2
Thank you for at least admitting that some people have no business AndyS Jun 2023 #3
LOL The Mouth Jun 2023 #4
So AndyS Jun 2023 #5
What sort of "prevention" are we talking about? TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #6
I would modify the 'background check' to make it a AndyS Jun 2023 #7
Thanks for the response. TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #8
So, like Mouth you are satisfied with 'law abiding citizens' buying guns which AndyS Jun 2023 #9
I feel like you didn't really read my post TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #10
I did not ignore your point about punishing past deeds. Just followed gun logic to the AndyS Jun 2023 #11
Thanks again for the response TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #12
Look, I've commented on employers and family as much as needed. AndyS Jun 2023 #14
Thanks for responding TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #15
Again, you're not very good at this. AndyS Jun 2023 #16
Thanks sir TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #17
Let me ask this question TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #13
By 'law abiding citizens', do you actually mean "law abiding citizens"? yagotme Jun 2023 #18
If a gun is purchased legally through a FFL then one must assume AndyS Jun 2023 #19
Sure, I'll try to help. yagotme Jun 2023 #20
Okay: AndyS Jun 2023 #21
Well, we agree on the end result. yagotme Jun 2023 #22
Okay, so I guess your position is that the only way to lessen the carnage is AndyS Jun 2023 #24
Nope. My remedy is to lock those up who actually violate the law. yagotme Jul 2023 #39
The discussion can start The Mouth Jun 2023 #23
Keep it up Mouth. You're the best advertising for my movement anyone AndyS Jun 2023 #25
I surely will The Mouth Jun 2023 #26
LOL AndyS Jun 2023 #27
Thanks The Mouth Jun 2023 #28
So how do you feel about this? AndyS Jun 2023 #29
It has exactly nothing to do with whether The Mouth Jun 2023 #30
So, you don't think it is within the responsibility of the state to AndyS Jun 2023 #31
It's the responsibility of the parents. Period The Mouth Jun 2023 #32
If the State has no interest in protecting children from irresponsible parents AndyS Jun 2023 #33
Great questions The Mouth Jun 2023 #34
The question I'm asking doesn't have anything to do with your demands. AndyS Jun 2023 #35
This is a question about *parenting* The Mouth Jun 2023 #36
Just one more question for clarity and I'll stop AndyS Jun 2023 #37
I do not think and did not say "The state has no interest in children's welfare in general" The Mouth Jun 2023 #38
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