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Gun Control & RKBA

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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 11:02 AM Oct 2023

State lawmakers made concealed firearms legal without a permit. Then, more West Virginians died. [View all]

“This is just bad law,” said Steve Tanner, then-president of the West Virginia Sheriffs’ Association. “It endangers law enforcement and endangers the public.”
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But in the months and years after the law was enacted, more West Virginians died from guns. A study, conducted by West Virginia University researchers and published in the American Journal of Public Health, found that firearm deaths were about 26% more frequent in the state after legislators passed HB 4145.
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“This is something that you could have foreseen at the time,” Palumbo said. “When you put more guns in more places, you’re going to have more accidents and more gun casualties as a result.”
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In a couple of years homicide rates went up 26%.

This ain't rocket science people. More guns = more death and injury. 26 states have Political Carry Laws (nothing about the Constitution applies here) and 26 states showed a 15% or more increase in homicides.
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Florida recently did the same thing. I do not expect different results. Chainfire Oct 2023 #1
Yes, but they do. louis-t Oct 2023 #2
Isn't it about time more Cops come out saying exactly this? It's a danger to ALL of us. Cops included. flying_wahini Oct 2023 #3
Oh but it gets better bpj62 Oct 2023 #4
Open carry has been legal in many, many states TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #6
Good for them, they got a head start on the killing . . . AndyS Oct 2023 #7
Ha, any stats? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #9
Well, since you asked . . . AndyS Oct 2023 #13
Open carry isnt the point bpj62 Oct 2023 #31
Constitutional carry TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #5
Elaborate please. AndyS Oct 2023 #8
The response is self explanatory TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #10
Ah, another throwaway post with no substance . . . AndyS Oct 2023 #11
What part did you find confusing? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #15
It's not confusing, it's empty. AndyS Oct 2023 #17
Objective TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #18
So, the cop who shot Tamir Rice should not have been flagged even though AndyS Oct 2023 #21
"Flagged" how? No individual should get to say someone isn't TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #23
Did you read the wiki page I sent you? AndyS Oct 2023 #25
I'm not suggesting anything TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #29
Since you've given me time AndyS Oct 2023 #30
I compared the years 2015 and 2020. The increase in the rate per 100,000 was 80%. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #12
So gun homicides increased TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #14
I checked nationwide numbers: discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #16
I don't think you know what that means. AndyS Oct 2023 #19
I'm trying to understand your post TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #20
That is not what I said. You know it. I was quite explicit in defining the two AndyS Oct 2023 #22
Thanks! TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #24
No, that is not what I said. You know it. AndyS Oct 2023 #26
No doubt it was a complete surprise to them. Turbineguy Oct 2023 #27
Let us hope their next experiment is not mandatory concealed carry. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2023 #28
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