Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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66. I didn't know Ron Paul was for nationalizing the Fed

Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

Aug 2012

Last I heard, he was against nationalizing anything and for privatizing everything. Since most of my "education" or propaganda on this issue is from the left end of the scale, you are not really the progressive you think you are. Are you accusing Bernie Sanders and Thom Hartmann of being Ron Paul nuts? Are you admitting being to the right of me?
In essence you are accusing a self described socialist, Bernie Sanders, of being a libertarian, you might want to think before you post.
Can you show me an example of nationalizing the Fed=gold standard? Most people would call me a socialist (which I do believe in a mixed economy). Might want to give up on trying to paint us as being a bunch of right wing radicals, that straw just slipped out of your hand.
http://www.monetary.org/

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Are Guns Killing Our Freedom Instead of Defending It? [View all] DanTex Aug 2012 OP

Of course. But the NRA knows how to manipulate and threaten. MotherPetrie Aug 2012 #1

don't forget how the brainwash people into false patriotism and paralizing fear samsingh Aug 2012 #152

RKBA is all about freedom. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #2

If you think your Glock is going to protect you from oppression, you've seen too many B movies. DanTex Aug 2012 #3

As I said, it's not about your neighbor (or me) buying a gun. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #5

Red Dawn fantasies. DanTex Aug 2012 #6

BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #8

That's the best you can do? MercutioATC Aug 2012 #10

And let's not forget glacierbay Aug 2012 #11

Actually, it's true of nearly every conflict it which we've been involved. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #14

Correct. glacierbay Aug 2012 #15

Vietnam is a very good example of "out lasting" the superior force Ya Basta Aug 2012 #187

I've been... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #194

i think he IEDs, suicide bombers, and other hit and run tactics are samsingh Aug 2012 #20

that was such a stupid movie and a farce. samsingh Aug 2012 #22

Gee, OUR military did. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #28

That is because we are fighting under a strict rules of engagement. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #130

drone attacks are not indescriminate gejohnston Aug 2012 #134

Your right, they are not indescriminate. But there sure seems to be more oops, my bad. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #138

your targeting is only as good as your intel gejohnston Aug 2012 #139

The entire region would rally to fight our genocide krispos42 Aug 2012 #174

Hence why we are fighting under such strict Rules of Engagement. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #180

The RoE had more to do with gejohnston Aug 2012 #181

What is your knowledge of modern military tactics and procedures? rDigital Aug 2012 #30

i'm sorry, what is your knowledge in this area? samsingh Aug 2012 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Aug 2012 #164

i'm a thoughtful person, who wants lives to be saved, and i've studied samsingh Aug 2012 #165

actually we have gejohnston Aug 2012 #168

i've heard a lot of gun control proponents ask for an end to the drug war samsingh Aug 2012 #172

not at all gejohnston Aug 2012 #176

i couldn't care less how many guns you own or store samsingh Aug 2012 #186

I wasn't talking about you specifically gejohnston Aug 2012 #189

btw samsingh Aug 2012 #166

It means: rDigital Aug 2012 #167

that makes absolutely no sense. samsingh Aug 2012 #173

Hmmm. rDigital Aug 2012 #183

What is your personal experience with guerrilla warfare? glacierbay Aug 2012 #40

"The scenario envisioned in Red Dawn is very real." DanTex Aug 2012 #54

Rather than engage in little insults glacierbay Aug 2012 #59

Don't you know? gejohnston Aug 2012 #70

That brings up a question for you: On what date will Victory in Afghanistan Day be celebrated? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #83

Funny how they chose to remake it this year... ellisonz Aug 2012 #114

Its not the Missycim Aug 2012 #132

Good to see you have such a detailed knowledge. ellisonz Aug 2012 #135

Yes, we know you have a problem with even simple facts. PavePusher Aug 2012 #195

That looks like the same cast from or scenes from the TV show Jericho rl6214 Aug 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #131

Wrong, in the end the Russians are defeated. rl6214 Aug 2012 #146

According to IMDB the original ending of Red Dawn was much more ambiguous as to who won Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #184

Right. A rag-tag handful of partisians tied up several orders of magnitude more troops.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #196

what is your experience in this area? samsingh Aug 2012 #125

Two tours in Vietnam, glacierbay Aug 2012 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #133

The ROE's didn't matter one wit glacierbay Aug 2012 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #140

The Soviet's tried that in Afghanistan glacierbay Aug 2012 #142

that is what the Viet Cong did gejohnston Aug 2012 #137

i agree with you. samsingh Aug 2012 #149

i certainly didn't go to Viet Nam. Thank you for your service. samsingh Aug 2012 #148

Thank you glacierbay Aug 2012 #153

as do i. I wanted to defer to your service to the country. samsingh Aug 2012 #154

The eternal harassment degrades military operations krispos42 Aug 2012 #175

Other than an outright ban, what's your magical "solution" to what you apparently think is a problem spayneuter Aug 2012 #33

you still have the guns but the mere conversation appears to offend you. you life in a fantasy land, samsingh Aug 2012 #126

Remember all of them die in the end except the two that run away! Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #128

The group of kids all died except two but the Russians were eventually defeated. rl6214 Aug 2012 #147

Yes, but it never explains how. Waltons_Mtn Aug 2012 #155

IIRC, it kind of did gejohnston Aug 2012 #156

+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #7

not really, when you actually study the history books. The Second Amendment came after the 1776 and samsingh Aug 2012 #24

It doesn't matter WHEN it came... its wording makes CLEAR the right to keep and bear arms cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #96

Would you please explain what you meant by this statement? Jenoch Aug 2012 #110

its self evident samsingh Aug 2012 #122

The U.S. Constitution Jenoch Aug 2012 #129

the second amendment was an amendment and it's interpretation samsingh Aug 2012 #150

"...arm everyone with automatic weapons to slaughter civilians." Jenoch Aug 2012 #169

did you miss the news on the Colorado shooting? The Sikh Temple shooting? Every week there has samsingh Aug 2012 #171

In neither of the shootings you mentioned Jenoch Aug 2012 #182

Then no law enforcement agencies should have such weapons. PavePusher Aug 2012 #197

Other side of the coin: If you think my Glock is going to oppress anyone, you've seen to many cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #93

it DOESN'T MATTER whether you think it is possible or not. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #95

A blogger? glacierbay Aug 2012 #4

i think freedom to speak, eat, marry, reproduce - are the greatest freedoms samsingh Aug 2012 #18

For a govt to trust its citizens the means for the possible glacierbay Aug 2012 #31

No shit, Sherlock...that's why it is important. spayneuter Aug 2012 #53

from what i read from gun lover's its love of the gun (sorry gun arsenal) that is paramount. samsingh Aug 2012 #123

Then you are sadly mistaken glacierbay Aug 2012 #177

how many times do i hear crap like anyone who wants some level of gun control wants to samsingh Aug 2012 #185

we do have some level gejohnston Aug 2012 #188

It would have been more intelligent if gejohnston Aug 2012 #9

"As a banker, he is a greater threat to freedom than anyone else." samsingh Aug 2012 #17

need to listen to Thom Hartmann gejohnston Aug 2012 #19

banks have proven themselves to be greedy and inept samsingh Aug 2012 #27

inept? bankers? inept?? hot damn!! that is the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #88

I think our friend wants to ban the Federal Reserve and return to gold coins. DanTex Aug 2012 #21

Government owned central bank gejohnston Aug 2012 #38

I was right! Gold standard too? DanTex Aug 2012 #43

Whats wrong Missycim Aug 2012 #50

I was right again! Anyone else? DanTex Aug 2012 #58

I didn't know Ron Paul was for nationalizing the Fed gejohnston Aug 2012 #66

Gold standard? Yes or no. DanTex Aug 2012 #81

no, so now that gejohnston Aug 2012 #90

OK then. No gold standard. My guess was wrong. It was worth a shot! DanTex Aug 2012 #91

I doubt it gejohnston Aug 2012 #94

Umm... yeah no kidding the gold standard predates Ron Paul. DanTex Aug 2012 #97

If it works as advertized gejohnston Aug 2012 #100

I like this idea. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #103

The blogger in question truly adheres to the "Nirvana Fallacy" rDigital Aug 2012 #12

I love it when you guys talk loony! Tyrannical fascist state! You've got it all worked out! DanTex Aug 2012 #13

So disprove what he has said was wrong. glacierbay Aug 2012 #25

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #29

What difference does it make who armed them glacierbay Aug 2012 #34

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #42

Facts are facts glacierbay Aug 2012 #47

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #49

Until you present facts instead of insults glacierbay Aug 2012 #56

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #60

Jury results of the alert sent glacierbay Aug 2012 #109

They didn't ban PavePusher and he had like 19 hidden posts at one point. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #115

I didn't say anything about banning anyone glacierbay Aug 2012 #121

Sorry to disappoint you. PavePusher Aug 2012 #199

????? bongbong Aug 2012 #57

What is a relgionist (sic)? spayneuter Aug 2012 #63

Too much! bongbong Aug 2012 #64

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"You can throw all the insults and cute little smilies" rl6214 Aug 2012 #151

You are apparently ignorant of the 17 years the Soviets tried unsuccessfully to defeat the Afghanis spayneuter Aug 2012 #45

More laughs bongbong Aug 2012 #48

Dude... ellisonz Aug 2012 #116

do you always get your knowledge of gejohnston Aug 2012 #118

Do you always ignore well-known historical fact? ellisonz Aug 2012 #141

not a fruitless argument at all gejohnston Aug 2012 #143

Some food for thought. Oneka Aug 2012 #112

Last resort, Sweetie. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #35

Serious question: Why do you think it can't happen here? PavePusher Aug 2012 #198

absolutely - and most people can't even see the implications of the behavior this has caused in all samsingh Aug 2012 #16

No. Any more questions? shadowrider Aug 2012 #23

It's never been about "freedom" bongbong Aug 2012 #26

I agree. The whole 'protecting our freedom' is so COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #36

Cool straw man, bro. rDigital Aug 2012 #52

Reality is so frightening for gun-relgioinists bongbong Aug 2012 #72

It's just another straw man, bro. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you must provide proof rDigital Aug 2012 #101

Are you sitting there anticipating the day when COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #157

Speaking for myself glacierbay Aug 2012 #158

My point exactly. Either that or it's a convenient COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author glacierbay Aug 2012 #163

Really? I'm merely illustrating the purpose of the 2A. Nice try though. rDigital Aug 2012 #159

Perhaps valid in 1777. Hardly valid today. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #160

Start a movement to repeal it then. Let us know how that goes. rDigital Aug 2012 #162

Is that really the best argument you can make? COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #170

Wrong on so many levels. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #37

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #41

If its such logical fail glacierbay Aug 2012 #44

Proving a negative bongbong Aug 2012 #73

Just as I thought glacierbay Aug 2012 #74

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #76

One is reminded ... Straw Man Aug 2012 #190

No, do you? MercutioATC Aug 2012 #55

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #62

You refuted my claim about gun owners. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #65

Funny bongbong Aug 2012 #75

You're the one who claimed that the motivation behind gun ownership was a desire to shoot people. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #78

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #79

Machine guns and blowing stuff up ARE fun. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #84

"Do you know every gun owner in the USA?" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #82

Let's assume that you are correct and a high percentage of gun owners wish to shoot thugs. ... spin Aug 2012 #98

Whereas it is all so much nobler to submit to the tender mercies of the thugs. spayneuter Aug 2012 #46

Even MORE laughs! bongbong Aug 2012 #51

It sure doesn't take much to amuse you. Look down there vvvvvv spayneuter Aug 2012 #61

... ellisonz Aug 2012 #117

It has always been about freedom bad sofa king Aug 2012 #120

Intelligent take? Clames Aug 2012 #32

This article is full of fail rDigital Aug 2012 #39

Send better trolls bongbong Aug 2012 #68

Brady must be really strapped for cash, gejohnston Aug 2012 #71

Good copy bongbong Aug 2012 #77

It's clever that you refer to all effective arguments against more gun control as "talking points". rDigital Aug 2012 #119

No. Next question. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #80

Are Guns Killing Our Freedom Instead of Defending It? No, Some of us are readily Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #85

When Our Forefathers oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #86

The principle is the same. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #89

Funny oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #99

Yawn... Apparently some specially approved blogs are ok as sources. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #87

Answer: Nnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #92

Some asshole with a blog said... rrneck Aug 2012 #102

Just some of my favorites: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #178

Ain't it the truth! nt rrneck Aug 2012 #179

Question wolfman24 Aug 2012 #191

If you mean the very bottom... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #193

This OP reminds me to ask what ever happened to that ex-pat in Italy antigun blogger? aikoaiko Aug 2012 #104

No. However RegieRocker Aug 2012 #105

LOL. "Far left". DanTex Aug 2012 #106

Regie's too diplomatic to say the word, so I will. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #108

"no intended offense to the bird" Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #111

Yes Magoo48 Aug 2012 #107

the trick is to have more people with guns that value freedom, than people who do not AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #113

I wonder what kind of security Huff Post has at the front doors? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #144

other view wolfman24 Aug 2012 #192