Gun Control & RKBA

PavePusher

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70. "Why the theoretical concern about your government rounding people up?"

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:40 PM

Nov 2012

Holy fucking shit. Are you that Ignorant, Arrogant, bat-shit Insane, or just plain old garden-variety fucking Stupid?

19th Century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Removal_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal

20th Century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

http://www.google.com/search?q=Japanese+internment&hl=en&tbo=u&rlz=1R2ADRA_enUS432&biw=1280&bih=579&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=jX-hUJycPOWg2AXh3YGICw&ved=0CDYQsAQ

If it can happen once, it can happen again. Oh, wait....

21rst Century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

http://www.laprogressive.com/change/#sthash.s0IYTThj.dpbs

http://soundvision.com/info/muslims/internment.asp

http://duanegraham.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/muslim-internment/

Lesser known examples:

U.S. Civil War:
http://ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p137_Weber.html (Granted, these camps mainly held active combatants; nevertheless, many civilians ended up in them as well.)

WWI:
http://www.visitmadisoncounty.com/who-we-are/town-of-hot-springs/the-german-village-wwi-internment-camp/

Post-WWI:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=19210602_222_0_Betwee709978&PrintComments=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

More WWII info here:
http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsa.html (Warning: it's a CT site, but the history events are factual.)

Thanks, that was enjoyable. Damned frustrating though. In-fucking-deed.

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President Obama: 2nd Amendment is Constitutional Right. [View all] Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 OP

What's sad is... LP2K12 Nov 2012 #1

Just so you and your father know, President Obama also said this: Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #2

notice: He said Criminals NOT PreCriminals are whatever is the term some Anti-2Aers have been using. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #5

And don't forget those pesky hidden criminals. glacierbay Nov 2012 #14

Obama understands the Constitution and well knows that Pro-2Aers voted for him. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #3

Barak Obama, Oct 16, 2012. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #4

let him see. he will be looking for a long time. betcha. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #8

That's irrelevant to this point. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #9

ah, throw the poor guy a bone. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #12

Yep glacierbay Nov 2012 #15

He had to toss a bone to a vocal gun controllers hack89 Nov 2012 #45

The impact I could see is on import firearms/ammo. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #6

He could go on BillO's show AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #7

Obama didn't say that Renew Deal Nov 2012 #10

True: It was an administration official. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #13

This ought to really piss of the Brady org. glacierbay Nov 2012 #11

A constitutional right on what basis? To go to war with your government? Loudly Nov 2012 #16

Awwwww glacierbay Nov 2012 #17

Well said, gb friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #74

Based on, ya know, the constitution. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #18

What hooey. Loudly Nov 2012 #21

You can quit beating that horse Shares. glacierbay Nov 2012 #22

Yup, pretty much. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #23

What? Why do you hate the First Amendment? And the Twenty-Fourth? n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #69

+1000000 glacierbay Nov 2012 #24

Hey there Shares... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19

I shall refer to our Declaration of Rights Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #33

Very good. This can't be repeated often enough. Loudly Nov 2012 #34

Uh... You may want to read that again, friend. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #35

No fair citing facts to Shares United, now known as Loudly ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #37

Yes that's it exactly. You want the option of staging armed rebellion against the United States. Loudly Nov 2012 #38

You want to play? Let's play. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #41

Paragraph by paragraph rebuttal. Loudly Nov 2012 #44

"Why the theoretical concern about your government rounding people up?" PavePusher Nov 2012 #70

And an appropriate response. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #89

Much more diplomatic than my response.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #93

Pretty silly talk from you Shares ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #43

Only basis? No. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #36

Wrong. It is a right. And here is a liberal who agreed with that: Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #50

Some hurt feelings in his thread former-republican Nov 2012 #20

Oh, my GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! VPStoltz Nov 2012 #25

And if I find that guns make me happy? Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #26

Funny how the controllers become more and more glacierbay Nov 2012 #28

Your right to happiness is not unconditional. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #49

"2a absolutism" - Dishonesty in semantic redefinition isn't helping your cause. beevul Nov 2012 #57

I don't think I've ever gotten a serious answer Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #58

I've already provided the evidence down thread. You can exhale. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #60

You provided nothing, and called it evidence. beevul Nov 2012 #67

The gun control false consensus is falling apart, and they're not taking it well at all... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #75

Indeed, happiness is not guaranteed 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #134

What part of what he posted do you not understand? glacierbay Nov 2012 #27

What kind of rights do you think the Bill of Rights refers to? nt hack89 Nov 2012 #51

"in the bible"? PavePusher Nov 2012 #71

Constitutional right? Yes... bowens43 Nov 2012 #29

Sorry dude glacierbay Nov 2012 #31

Uh, well, you're wrong. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #32

Explain how your semantic construct works, using basic rules of grammar. I bet you can't. n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #72

Could you list the other collective rights guaranteed in the constitution? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #135

It could be gun owner suppression like voter suppression. Thinkingabout Nov 2012 #30

... ellisonz Nov 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #40

your examples are all examples of weapons that cannot be 'borne'. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #47

"I've never seen that." Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #48

Logically, if you could post a link to where any "responsible person has ever seriously argued that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #52

Here you go. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #55

"it's not clear whether he was being serious or not. " Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #59

That's because your 'evidence' is bullshit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #66

As said above, Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #42

Wrong! RKBA is one of our unalienable/inalienable rights and as SCOTUS said jody Nov 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #56

That is What the Party Platform Says Along with an AWB fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #61

Since you want a AWB, what "assault weapons" would you ban? And why? oneshooter Nov 2012 #62

The Ones the Really Smart People Want to Ban fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #63

those are already banned or simply not sold gejohnston Nov 2012 #64

So you have no idea what you are supporting? oneshooter Nov 2012 #68

Nah fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #73

Well then, we'll just have to keep doing what we've been doing all along- friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #76

Right fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #80

Erm... About that. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #90

Not Even Close fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #101

you are missing a couple of things gejohnston Nov 2012 #104

I quoted the Entire Text in Entirety and Support 100% as is. fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #107

who cares? gejohnston Nov 2012 #121

Other than the Use Of Guns Results in Murder and Crime fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #122

so why does USVI, gejohnston Nov 2012 #123

I Make No Claim to Know fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #125

only that it has nothing to do with laxer gun laws gejohnston Nov 2012 #127

You seem to forget what the *leader* of the Democratic Party said friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #100

See Post 101 fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #102

You didn't 'say' anything, you simply parroted the platform. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #110

And Once Again fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #113

So you willingly admit that you support laws that you know nothing about. oneshooter Nov 2012 #120

Right fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #124

why do I bother? "and keep the guns in the house." Period. End of discussion. graham4anything Nov 2012 #77

I don't know why you bother, either. Union Scribe Nov 2012 #78

Bloomberg backed Obama. He is a LIBERAL democrat from Mass in case you didn't know graham4anything Nov 2012 #79

You give us permission to have a gun glacierbay Nov 2012 #82

"Your (supposed) right to a gun stops when you take it outside." PavePusher Nov 2012 #94

Bloomberg is a right wing knob. Union Scribe Nov 2012 #169

I see our little RW authoritarian is back glacierbay Nov 2012 #81

someday our prince will come...and MMMM is that Prince. graham4anything Nov 2012 #83

Are you talking about Blooming Idiot? glacierbay Nov 2012 #84

guess you aren't an Obama fan. I would think you would appreciate he gave him his endorsement graham4anything Nov 2012 #85

You're a funny person glacierbay Nov 2012 #86

I expect no less from the multi-million dollar suits of the #1 lobby superPac in the world-the NRA graham4anything Nov 2012 #87

Another RW position glacierbay Nov 2012 #88

I bide my time,but Mayor Mike is the Equalizer...btw, guns are rightwing. graham4anything Nov 2012 #133

"btw, guns are rightwing."? Now you claim to follow a sect of animism? PavePusher Nov 2012 #137

you left out "in the street". (of course, because you guys have no answer for it) graham4anything Nov 2012 #139

"get rid of ALL guns from the street, and you get rid of gun violence 100%." PavePusher Nov 2012 #144

I wouldn't expect you to understand as you don't want change.You want 1850s wild west. graham4anything Nov 2012 #146

Mikey will be history soon enough...and it will be good riddance to repuke trash ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #140

He is a young man with billions to give away. His mother lived to be 102 graham4anything Nov 2012 #142

much of it to keep Brown in the Senate. gejohnston Nov 2012 #143

What, he won't live to be a zillion? Or is he worth a zillion? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #148

the NRA is the 1%. 98.7% of America is NOT a member of the NRA. graham4anything Nov 2012 #149

How many are the Brady bunch, now? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #150

I do not care about the Brady bill-it is fundamentally flawed and can never work graham4anything Nov 2012 #151

Brady Campaign, not the bill. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #152

nobody ever heard of it. As the Pet Shop Boys sang (c)Sondheim "Somewhere" graham4anything Nov 2012 #154

Your hero worship of a classic 1%er is both amazing and telling ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #162

Isn't it? glacierbay Nov 2012 #164

BTW glacierbay Nov 2012 #163

So far, s/he's never answered any question. PavePusher Nov 2012 #165

Yep glacierbay Nov 2012 #167

after a week or so with no lights not once did I feel I needed a gun...as Alan Jackson said in graham4anything Nov 2012 #168

How very fucking "Dick Cheney" of you DonP Nov 2012 #91

He's already on record glacierbay Nov 2012 #92

Which begs the question: PavePusher Nov 2012 #97

Beats the hell out of me. glacierbay Nov 2012 #99

He- Like You - Is Entitled to His Opinion fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #129

Sure, he's entitled to his own opinion glacierbay Nov 2012 #161

IRS audits of your political enemies? How very Nixonian. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #111

"THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWNING BULLETS" PavePusher Nov 2012 #95

no, they are not. Arms are not legs. graham4anything Nov 2012 #132

The only conclusion I can draw from your "rebutal"... is that freebasing is bad for you. Good luck. PavePusher Nov 2012 #136

"...get rid of ALL guns outside the home....." slackmaster Nov 2012 #96

... and Bloomies bodyguards of course DonP Nov 2012 #98

It's all Bizarro, all the time, with this one. PavePusher Nov 2012 #138

And That Is Bad? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #108

Were you *entirely* sure about the government during the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II years? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #112

History fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #114

You're the only one here talking about "seeking to overthrow our Constitutional government" slackmaster Nov 2012 #171

No fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #172

I can't tell whether you are being deliberately obtuse here, so I'll just explain my position again slackmaster Nov 2012 #174

You Clarified Your Position fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #176

More fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #126

My issue is the the security of the state, which includes the capacity for effective self-defense slackmaster Nov 2012 #170

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #173

The state isn't secure unless every community, neighborhood, family, and individual are also secure slackmaster Nov 2012 #175

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #177

Until a Supreme Court with a different make up upaloopa Nov 2012 #103

so you are saying all judges are politicians in robes gejohnston Nov 2012 #105

Is that what he said? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #109

Not gonna happen glacierbay Nov 2012 #106

Ever hear of Citizens United? It over turned upaloopa Nov 2012 #115

Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce gejohnston Nov 2012 #118

Hhhm fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #117

there is a difference gejohnston Nov 2012 #119

Based on a Compelling State Interest fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #128

but compelling state interest has to be demostrated gejohnston Nov 2012 #130

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #131

defending yourself is legal gejohnston Nov 2012 #141

No One Is 'Defending' Themselves in a Duel fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #145

there are no duels in the street, that was the point gejohnston Nov 2012 #147

Thankfully, the president made no reference to guns. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #116

President Obama: Making fatuous statements is a Constitutional Right. MrModerate Nov 2012 #153

I am a gun owning liberal democrat beachbumbob Nov 2012 #155

And the rate of homicides committed with "assault weapons" Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #156

its the premise that assault weapoons are being sold. beachbumbob Nov 2012 #157

Automobiles, fax machines, televisions, Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #158

Why did you not post your comment in a manner known to those writers? PavePusher Nov 2012 #160

They are quite popular in lawful game hunting. PavePusher Nov 2012 #159

Precise definitions matter on this topic ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #166